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My apologies I'm probably over thinking this one; If an exchange has 6000 lines
and 200 people can't have fibre do you think the plug will be pulled on ADSL one day leaving users without a broadband service ?
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There is no-one who cannot have fibre, just the question of who pays for it
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ADSL may at some point in the distant future be replaced by GPON FTTH from an exchange up to 60 miles way, so my answer would be "yes, eventually".
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Would be nice if it did and I could pick up 100 Meg unlimited fibre for 15 quid a month.
Not likely in my lifetime I don't think.
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The kit's on sale for long range GPON, http://www.telnet-ri.es/fileadmin/user_upload/hojas_... just leaves the minor issue of getting the commercials right 
£30/month with it replacing the copper would be a more likely entry level.
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That isn't true of the second part of the question . Which is the question asked in the Subject.
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Edited by RobertoS (Fri 09-Aug-13 22:16:06)
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Doesn't that mean all the copper wires will be replaced by fibre ? I guess that means they just need to run fibre to the home which is cheaper than maintaining an FTTC cabinet?
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I think we can be sure that ADSL will at some point become obsolete.
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Cheaper to maintain but more expensive to install
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But do you think the 5%, who won't get fibre for commercial reasons. will then loose thier service? Or will ADSL keep going until this isn't an issue?
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Politically no way that fixed line broadband can be withdrawn until an equivalent latency/bandwidth option in place.
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I guess though by then they would take the fibre from an old FTTC box?
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But VDSL does not have the range of ADSL....so repeaters or regenerators in Openreach language may be the norm.
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Indeed we can, but the point of the OP's question is in the tail. See also his reply to your reply to me.
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I guess though by then they would take the fibre from an old FTTC box?
In my long range vision there will be no street side electronics - just passive optical splitters in chambers or up poles.
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nobody will lose service, IMHO.
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I have that vision, but hopefully will have retired and be sat in a chair in my garden by then
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It will go. How quickly depends on HS broadband take up and technology progress and the driving down of costs. Having active equipment distributed around the streets in a pretty uncontrolled environment is not ideal and is costly.
A full fibre solution starts to look attractive when you get into the region of 50% takeup
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Having active equipment distributed around the streets in a pretty uncontrolled environment is not ideal and is costly As proven by the level of debt Virgin Media have ended up with...
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Actually, there is a serious point about the economics of ADSL at the level of exchanges here. There is a substantial investment in exchange equipment, leased lines, etc required to support an ADSL service. The number of ADSL lines is now falling. So, at what point does it become uneconomic to support or replace ADSL equipment at an exchange?
I assume that leased lines & their interfaces can be shared, but what about the ADSL interface? If BTW or LLU operators have no obligation to provide an ADSL service, what is to stop them saying that it is not worth replacing old equipment and simply withdrawing the service at the end of the life of existing equipment?
An alternative is that manufacturers offer mix & match modules so that the equipment is simply a rack of modules whose composition and configuration are adjusted to the demand for different services. That may already be possible in the more advanced exchanges but what about all the 20CN ADSL1 equipment that is out there.
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With BT services there is a 3 year notice period for the withdrawal of a product, so no need to get too emo over ADSL withdrawal
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its pretty obvious adsl will never be withdrawn where there is no newer tech to replace it, that alone would be a disaster for the government, so if BT were to say eg. they find it unviable to continue supporting it, its highly probable the government would step in to lean BT the other way eg. subsidies.
In areas where newer techs are available such as FTTC, it is possible but if it ever happens then the users would probably be bumped up to the newer tech.
BT arent going to just disconnect users en masse.
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Bear in mind ISPs still deliver dial up services especially those who cannot get broadband yet. In years and years and years when there's other technology to support everyone who has ADSL they may remove it but those on ADSL then will probably get a free upgrade to the newer technology.
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Plus 95% of households already have a choice of two DSLAMs in their local telephone exchange.
A better question would be, what date do people think that 90% of those in the UK with a broadband subscription will have full FTTP connections to the home? Or will 4G/5G mean this will never happen?
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Having active equipment distributed around the streets in a pretty uncontrolled environment is not ideal and is costly As proven by the level of debt Virgin Media have ended up with...
Yeah but they've started making a profit this year. They'll soon have worked off the debt 
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I have that vision, but hopefully will have retired and be sat in a chair in my garden by then FTTC - Fibre To The Chair?
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Commode.
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I think it will be years before that happens. Still people using dial up.
I know a few people who have no interest in fibre and have no need for it. they will not change unless the price goes down.
Adrian
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Commode.
Google TISP ?
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the VDSL kit as per FTTC will do ADSL too, so tossing some of that into an exchange would address any hardware obsolescence issues (not to mention exchange based VDSL which the standards exist for)
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Google TISP ? LOL
I'd completely forgotten about that. Quite amusing that fibre routed through sewers does exist, I believe.
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