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and 78Mb Infinity2 = VDSL2?
because I know at least one person who has Infinity 2 who never gets above about 25Mb because of his distance from his cab, and I think he's on the wrong product and might even get better speeds with Infinity, let alone lower costs.
Or is it more intelligent than that and drops back to VDSL automatically for longer/more noisy lines?
Edited by deleted (Tue 25-Aug-15 15:32:48)
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No, all FTTC connections provided by Openreach are VDSL2. The only difference is the maximum sync speed cap.
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Originally, up to 40Mbps was profile 8a.
Then profile 17a was rolled out which provides up to 80Mbps.
The difference is the frequencies used. Both are VDSL2.
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Originally, up to 40Mbps was profile 8a.
Then profile 17a was rolled out which provides up to 80Mbps.
The difference is the frequencies used. Both are VDSL2. But now even up to 40Mbps is profile 17a
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But now even up to 40Mbps is profile 17a
Quite right.
In the case of up to 40Mbps, the line rate is artificially capped.
I believe on Plusnet the line actually runs at the maximum rate but is capped to 40Mbps at Plusnet's end. I don't know if that is the case with other ISPs.
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I believe on Plusnet the line actually runs at the maximum rate but is capped to 40Mbps at Plusnet's end. I don't know if that is the case with other ISPs. That was the case for the relatively short time they had a 40/20 product, as that was the only way to provide it.
They ditched that and now supply the bog standard Openreach 80/20 and 40/2 options. With an incidental loss of maximum throughput for lines capable of above 40Mbps sync.
Legacy 40/20 customers do exist with no change to their service.
The indispensable man or woman passes from the scene, and what happens next is more or less the same thing as was happening before.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 57970/13958kbps @ 600m. - BQM
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Didn't Openreach used to provide a 40/10 service?
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They still do. Most ISPs provide it. TalkTalk (Retail) and Plusnet don't. Again, I expect with some legacy customers on that from pre-40/20.
The indispensable man or woman passes from the scene, and what happens next is more or less the same thing as was happening before.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 57970/13958kbps @ 600m. - BQM
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When my parents phoned up for offer deal on their broadband. Plusnet will not offer 40/20 anymore in a new deal, only 40/2 so instead they decided go for 80/20.
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I'd ask him to look at the DSL checker and see what estimates BT suggest for his line. If its no more than 40Mbps then he may as well (if they can) drop down to a 40/10 40/20 product and save money.
If he is on a long line then thats the limiting factor.
(BT may tell you otherwise though, as I experienced recently but there are some people who work in ISP's who unfortunately are not trained well)
Regards PGre
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There is NO Openreach 40/20 product, PlusNet only achieved this by buying 80/20 and capping it within their own network management systems.
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The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
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It's worse than that. If someone needs faster than 2Mbps upload but is on a line that is not predicted to be above 40Mbps download Plusnet will not allow them to pay extra and go on the 80/20 service. Their only option is to look at other ISPs who offer the 40/10 service.
jelv
Plusnet user since November 2001
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Thanks all. Very informative.
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I'm pretty amazed that Plusnet hasn't added an option for higher upload like an add on...
I was looking the other day at wholesale costs for Openreach FTTx products and notice the difference between 40/2 & 40/10 is just pennies (though thats a saving anyway) they could sell an add on to upgrade a 40/2 to 40/10 for £5 and still make a nice profit!
I suppose I must be missing something or Plusnet marketing is that ......
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...they could sell an add on to upgrade a 40/2 to 40/10 for £5 and still make a nice profit!
I suppose I must be missing something or Plusnet marketing is that ...... One thing you're missing is that the Plusnet price difference between 40/2 and 80/20 is £5.
The indispensable man or woman passes from the scene, and what happens next is more or less the same thing as was happening before.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 57970/13958kbps @ 600m. - BQM
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Oh Yeah..... hahaha ironic that!
Now I think about the problem at hand here not being the 40/2 product that in most our opinions is a poor excuse for "fibre" broadband but actually being that customers are not allowed to purchase a higher end packages to fulfil there needs..
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I agree over 38/2 is very poor for fibre copper. As it should read out below:
if it was 8/0.8 then it will be standard ADSL copper
if it was 16/1.4 then it will be standard ADSL2+ copper
if it was 38/1.9 then it will be standard fibre copper
if it was 38/9 then it will be medium fibre copper
if it was 76/19 then it will be large fibre copper
if it was 300/20 then it will be superfast fibre optic
Edited by adslmax (Sat 29-Aug-15 14:22:02)
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Actually what i noticed going through the wholesale costs recently too is that there is such a product as 40/15 too!
and almost sure that there was a 100/25 product in the early days too!
PS. I think you meant 38/ 9.5
Edited by mlmclaren (Sat 29-Aug-15 14:11:00)
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PS. I think you meant 38/9.5
Yes I just updated. I just put 38/19 cos of PN used to have it before. But for BT Wholesale product are 40/10. (I just put 38/9)
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Actually what i noticed going through the wholesale costs recently too is that there is such a product as 40/15 too!
and almost sure that there was a 100/25 product in the early days too!
Very rare for isp to have these product 40/15 and 100/25. But, it would be nice if we all have 100/25 instead of 80/20.
Edited by adslmax (Sat 29-Aug-15 14:17:24)
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I've never seen the 40/15 before... and only ever saw the 100/25 on BT back on 2011/12...
But I think it was pulled!
Weird how BT only seem to be doing 300/20 via FTTP! not 300/30 or 330/30 anymore!
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Then BT Checker shouldn't put 330/30 as availability as it would be misleading (should be 300/20 instead)
P.S. I updated now 330/30 to 300/20 now.
Edited by adslmax (Sat 29-Aug-15 14:22:38)
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Openreach 40/15 looks to have existed from 30/09/2010 to 31/08/2011.
The indispensable man or woman passes from the scene, and what happens next is more or less the same thing as was happening before.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 57970/13958kbps @ 600m. - BQM
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Never noticed of that 40/15 from Openreach in 2010-2011. Because my FTTC wasn't available that time.
Edited by adslmax (Sat 29-Aug-15 14:34:23)
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Then BT Checker shouldn't put 330/30 as availability as it would be misleading (should be 300/20 instead)
The checker (BTw) showed FTTPoD as 330/30 as that is sold to providers of FTTPoD !
GEA-FTTP will be different classification and I think when I did see that it was 300/20 (not sure though)
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Openreach 40/15 looks to have existed from 30/09/2010 to 31/08/2011.
Oh right, OK, cheers for info!
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