Help with Unfiltered BB Question

Hiya. This is not for speed but for house aesthetics!

Is it possible I can solder 2 wires before it gets to the master socket directly to the RJ11 cable from my Modem?

I have no phones etc on that line. Its simply to remove the large filter from my wall.

Thanks

Vernon

NO. Pure and Simple.

You cannot do anything to the wires before the master - that is BT Openreach's property and you are not permitted to do anything to it.

As there are no phones, a filter is not needed so revert the front plate to and use a BT 431A to RJ converter.

In reply to a post by MHC:

NO. Pure and Simple.

You cannot do anything to the wires before the master - that is BT Openreach's property and you are not permitted to do anything to it.

As there are no phones, a filter is not needed so revert the front plate to and use a BT 431A to RJ converter.

Not in all cases, we had our NTE5A Master socked taken out by a bad thunder storm above our house, that killed our actual phone and modem/router that was connected to the line at the time, it wasn't the lightning that did it but more the static discharge.

Had to phone BT to report this as a fault and was told its an internal fault in our house and that we would be charged £130 (I think it was that amount) so thinking sod that so I ended up buying my own NTE5A Master Socket along with the BT Faceplate and dsl filter and fitted it myself, so in my eyes they are mine and not BTORs property, every engineer visit we have had since I have told them the same and showed them the chard broken one and they said fine.

Granted the BT80 and the cables from it to "our" master socket is their responsibility, so I also say no.

Paul

As a consumner I have no relationship with Openreach.

Suppose the contract for phone and broadband is with the Post Office. I don't see anything in the Post Office T&Cs that says what I can and can't do with my home phone wiring.

You also don't have a contract with the local electricity board or gas board but they'll take issue if you mess with their supply coming into your home.

Those supplies have meters and are more hazardous to work with.

The principle is the same though. Someone is responsble for the incoming connection and you're not to tamper with it.

Can you identify where it says that?

Try to mess with it, get it wrong and see if you don't get a bill.

See the Telecommunications Act 1984 and the Communications Act 2003.
Simplistically, operating and working on a public communications network requires a license issued by OFCOM.

The network includes all elements up to and including the NTE, so by making unauthorised changes to a licensed system, you have contravened the relevant Acts.

Thanks for the reply. Are you aware of anything in the acts which says what constitutes an NTE, whether a licensed operator must provide one or how one is supposed to identify one.

An act would never go into that level of detail as the technologies change and therefore the act would have to change whenever that happened.

The Acts are not technical service descriptions, so don't provide specific examples.

The NTE is the Network Terminating Equipment - It terminates the network and is the demarcation point between 'Network' and 'User' domains.

Types of NTE can vary. Some NTEs are active (with power) and others are passive, but it is the point that the Network Operator decides and designates as the handover to the user, so will incorporate some method for the user to connect to.
For a BT provided telephone line, this is the Master socket (also called an NTE5).

The Post Office T&C's say

In reference to www.postoffice.co.uk/dam/jcr:ca2c09d5-2141-4369-b84d-163b241a5c1d/T...:

You must only connect equipment to the Post Office HomePhone® Service by using either a standard telephone socket or a connection point approved by our suppliers.

I think that the phone line from the exchange to the customer, whether EO, via PCP; or via PCP & FTTC and any other variation, is owned and maintained (hopefully) by OR.

Is it not the case that the ISP/Phone Provider only LEASES or RENTS the USE of that Phone Line, on behalf of their respective Customers; and that in so doing the Customer agrees to abide by the OR Terms and Conditions, including any Legalities imposed by Parliament in the respective Telecommunications Acts - which the ISP and Phone Provider must also abide by.

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Although in conversation, we refer to "my Phone Line" and "my Phone Number", they don't BELONG to any of us.

Only the wiring inboard of the NTE belong to us, particularly if we own the property; and probably not if we are renting or leasing.

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This may be an example of the complexities.

Every house on this estate has a garage.

Some of those garages are typically attached or alongside the corresponding house.

The majority are separate, in blocks of about four and five; but specifically associated to an individual house.

Recently, one house owner put the relevant garage up "For Sale".

It was then that this Condition in the Deeds came to light.

The Garages can NOT be sold separately from the relevant Houses, as they are registered as single legal entities, although generally physically separated.

Edited by deleted (Wed 10-Feb-16 13:32:20)

In reply to a post by ian72:

An act would never go into that level of detail as the technologies change and therefore the act would have to change whenever that happened.

OK, but I don't think it unreasonable for an act to acknowledge the existence of a demarcation point where customer's equipment connects to a public network.

In reply to a post by panda:

For a BT provided telephone line, this is the Master socket (also called an NTE5).

The properties I have encountered did not have NTE5s, further they were star wired where there is a junction point for an extension before the old style master socket.

I don't think that these days BT (Openreach) will provide an NTE5 foc. So given that they have failed to provide a proper network termination point to which a customer can attach their own wiring do they really expect everyone in this situation to pay them £100? to install an NTE5?

The Post Office T&C's say

In reference to www.postoffice.co.uk/dam/jcr:ca2c09d5-2141-4369-b84d-163b241a5c1d/T...:

You must only connect equipment to the Post Office HomePhone® Service by using either a standard telephone socket or a connection point approved by our suppliers.

It is not very clear that that means you can't alter any of the wiring!

You can run extension wiring from most older master sockets. That is allowed. Which one do you have?

In reply to a post by lee111s:

Try to mess with it, get it wrong and see if you don't get a bill.

Indeed, that is a risk and you may or may not get caught. However if you ask your service provider to get Openreach to do the work for you, your will almost certainly end up paying.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

You can run extension wiring from most older master sockets. That is allowed. Which one do you have?

Thank you. That is an interesting point if you are officially allowed to connect to the terminals on the back of the socket. Personally I like the filtered faceplates which is why I try to use them.