5 G

Posted previously regarding, any information posters may have, regarding 5G.
Would appreciate any such info, especially the 'Dangers' of having an enormous number of transmitters on all sorts of objects, e.g. lamp posts etc.
A broadcaster said "don't worry, the amount of radiation is minimal".
Would like more info in this regard.
helpoort

Millions of homes already have devices using similar bands 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz to broadcast Wi-Fi, so the current 5G deployment sits in similar bands. Just because it is 5G rather than Wi-Fi or 4G does not make it any more dangerous.

On the enormous number of transmitters - what is better one massive transmitter in a town and handsets needing to use high power to transmit to it OR lots of smaller cells that output a lower power and the handset can also use a lower power? I'll save you the time, the later is better.

Lots of scare mongering is going on, but boils down to the fear of the unknown and the invisible, when the reality is services are already using similar frequencies e.g. blanket wi-fi coverage in the City of London, with wi-fi kit at about the same density that 5G will be once the multi Gigabit roll-out takes place.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Lots of scare mongering is going on, but boils down to the fear of the unknown and the invisible, when the reality is services are already using similar frequencies e.g. blanket wi-fi coverage in the City of London, with wi-fi kit at about the same density that 5G will be once the multi Gigabit roll-out takes place.

Well said. Most of us have microwaves and WiFi access points at home.

Nevermind the sheer number of CRT televisions most homes in the country had for decades....

Hi

There is a lot of mis-information out there and fake news about so called negative health effects of any type of new technology using radio waves.

A really good fact sheet dispelling a lot of the usual rubbish often spouted by those against 5G is here: https://e3.marco.ch/publish/sunrise/821_3887/2019032...

The facts, yes radio waves are in group 2B for being possibly carcinogenic (regardless if 5G or not) which the tin-hat people are always keen to point out, but then so are pickled vegetables, coffee (contains Caffeic acid) and Aloe vera that we happily rub on ourselves.

Because radio waves are in Group 2B for being possibly carcinogenic mean there are/have seen numerous studies into the effects of mobile phones/radio waves on the human body, and no concrete evidence has been found of ill effects in what we are exposed to. Most warnings about health and safety around transmitters for those working on them is due to the risk of burns, and not for cancers or brain tumours.

Regards

Phil

Edited by deleted (Fri 31-May-19 18:06:21)

Thank you for your effort in supplying the information from Switzerland.
Much appreciated
helpoort

We got the same scaremonger headlines with wifi, microwave ovens, 3g, 4g and mobile phones in general.

On a side note, i notice 5g is in the same frequency range as wifi. Any chance of interference or does it stay well clear of wifi frequency?

Hi

5G uses a licensed spectrum, Wi-Fi is unlicensed and so its out of the way of Wi-Fi.

Regards

Phil

Actually different frequencies once you look at the detail

For a large part 5G will be broadcast from existing mast sites which already are broadcasting 2G, 3G and 4G on similar frequencies. Longer term I suspect the 2G 3G and perhaps even 4G will be refarmed to 5G, essentially that means using the frequency that was once used by those technologies to provide 5G. 4G is already using a lot of the 2G and 3G spectrum which has been refarmed and some frequencies once used for freeview transmissions.

Smaller cells will help to prevent your device from having to output so much radiation to communicate with the mast, as it�s now closer, so it�s a double edge sword.

Must come a point where 2G is switched off?

Sure, I was in the US most of last year and A&T had already switched off 2G entirely. Verizon had refarmed much of their 2G network to 4G, to the extent they have now enabled GSM only handsets (their 2G/3G is CDMA not GSM) which can only get a signal on Verizon with 4G, so many people roaming the United States with 4G-LTE as their only option.

The way the US have rolled out networks, using 600/700MHz, means 4G can get better coverage and range than 2G.

T-Mobile US only has vestigial 2G service in many populated areas e.g. New York City, with 1 5MHz frequency remaining, the rest is refarmed to 4G. This would make using 2G very unreliable, but ok as an absolute last resort.

I suspect in the UK we will disable 2G as 5G becomes more main-stream.

Hi

In reply to a post by ukhardy07:

I suspect in the UK we will disable 2G as 5G becomes more main-stream.

There will be pressure to keep 2G going for sometime, at least to 2026 which is when it is expected to refarm 2G frequencies but possibly this will be delayed. The problem is due to the smart meter roll out that due to poor decisions made at the start means it is stuck running over 2G.

Source: http://euanmearns.com/uk-smart-meters-a-ghastly-mess...

Regards

Phil

In reply to a post by ukhardy07:

I suspect in the UK we will disable 2G as 5G becomes more main-stream.

I don't. The UK is a completely different market to the US. Verizon (and Sprint) aren't worth looking at, and T-Mob US is (due to mergers, renames etc) a lot younger an operator than we have in the UK. You say T-Mob US have reduced to 1 x carrier, usually these decisions are market by market, not nationwide.

The UK doesn't need to turn off 2G, the capacity on all 3 networks will be reduced to a small amount, which Voda & O2 are in the middle of achieving already as Peter's video explains for 900mhz. EE has 2G on 1800mhz and has already created two LTE carriers, 1x20mhz and 1x10mhz in the same band. So I don't see EE needing to turn off 2G for a long time.

3G is literally going fast, down to 1 carrier (theoretical 24mbps) rather than the dual carrier (theoretical 42mbps) that was popular in Europe when the US was rolling out LTE.

I suspect the 3G turn off is stalled until enough phones (probably mostly Android due to the firmware issues) are able to make reliable VoLTE calls. Once enough are running reliably, then 3G can go, and VoLTE failure fallback can go to 2G.

I can not help my self but rember watching a BBC program about 10-15 years ago it was either Horizon or Panorama anyway. It was about people say they getting cancer for mobile masks. They explain that such a phenomena was not happing near Radio/TV masks, in fact Radio/TV masks are magnitude more powerful wattage then mobile masks.

This is good bit, they was village that was going on about this new mobile mask that had been there for 2 years. The locals said there was a spike in the number children having leukemia since instalation of this new mobile mask. Now here good bit's:-
1) The number of leukemia cases in that area was within national average.
2) But they didn't know that the mobile mask had never been connected to electricity supply. It other words it had never been used as it had no power.

May I ask why you're posting on here asking for information rather than checking with experts?

There's been a fair amount of research by professionals who know what they're talking about on this and related matters. I appreciate that we've had enough of experts but perhaps that'd be a better place to look for reliable, evidence-based information than the opinions of randoms on a forum?