Running worship services simultaneously on YouTube and Zoom

Hi Folks
My church is intending to stream live worship services from a town centre church on both YouTube and Zoom. We've done one or two investigative services recently over our existing broadband, 69Mbps down, 17 Mbps up. This is barely adequate we've found. My question is: should we go to two lines or change our contract to something better. It seems that G.Fast is available and so are some very fast (and expensive) fibre connections (not BT FTTP). We need an upload circuit with bare minimum speed of 30Mbps, so what suggestions for the most reliable and cost effective solution? The town is Maidenhead.

What resolution and bitrate are you streaming at?

Zoom is usually fine with just 2 Mbps upload and YouTube should be HD with around a 3 Mbps upload.

A key requirement if dong lots of upload activity is to not have lots of download going on.

As MrSaffron says you've got plenty of bandwidth, check if you're hitting limits elsewhere. However a quick google looks to suggest you can publish directly to YouTube from Zoom, which would save bandwidth.

Why do you need both?

Just use Zoom and there will be no issues. Every user should be able to join using phone, tablet, laptop, desktop, ...


My connection is similar to yours and we do regular training sessions. Recently, whilst hosting, one participant had to use their phone for the camera and laptop for the screen so effectively one host and two participants on the connection. There were absolutely no issues - apart from audio feedback which was easily sorted with plenty of bandwidth for other uses.

In reply to a post by wizzpilot:

Hi Folks
My church is intending to stream live worship services from a town centre church on both YouTube and Zoom. We've done one or two investigative services recently over our existing broadband, 69Mbps down, 17 Mbps up. This is barely adequate we've found. My question is: should we go to two lines or change our contract to something better. It seems that G.Fast is available and so are some very fast (and expensive) fibre connections (not BT FTTP). We need an upload circuit with bare minimum speed of 30Mbps, so what suggestions for the most reliable and cost effective solution? The town is Maidenhead.

As others have said the upload you have should be plenty even for two 1080p streams.
However if you have a Zoom premium account you can simplify things by streaming your Zoom meeting directly to YouTube from Zoom.
So you would only be sending one stream over your connection then the Zoom server forwards it on to YouTube.
If you need any help let me know.

My clear understanding is that YouTube runs in HD at at least 9Mbps upload and Zoom takes almost the same again as in our case it carries music and video. To avoid contention issues we are aiming at a minimum UPLOAD speed of 30Mbps. On one of our trial services our existing 17Mbps connection almost maxed out and Youtube Studio was flagging up warning notices. Not quite sure where your figures came from.
Our Zoom services this year have had up to 180 members logged in so it's a reasonably substantial congregation.

Edited by deleted (Mon 16-Nov-20 11:42:56)

https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362023-...

In reply to a post by wizzpilot:

My clear understanding is that YouTube runs in HD at at least 9Mbps upload and Zoom takes almost the same again as in our case it carries music and video. To avoid contention issues we are aiming at a minimum UPLOAD speed of 30Mbps. On one of our trial services our existing 17Mbps connection almost maxed out and Youtube Studio was flagging up warning notices. Not quite sure where your figures came from.
Our Zoom services this year have had up to 180 members logged in so it's a reasonably substantial congregation.

Hi Wizz,

Did you see my reply about only needing to send one stream?

In reply to a post by wizzpilot:

My clear understanding is that YouTube runs in HD at at least 9Mbps upload and Zoom takes almost the same again as in our case it carries music and video.

Nobody's mentioned video frame rate...

As a non-expert, it sounds to me as though you're uploading in broadcast quality (probably 50fps) and everyone else is referring to around 10fps which is usually enough for conference or group-type activity.

Edited by billford (Mon 16-Nov-20 12:17:24)

Last time I used the Pro version of Zoom you couldn't change video rates and I never saw more than 2Mb/s upstream - often it would be 1Mb/s or lower.