'Exclusively uses fibre optic' - not good
'uses fibre' - well it does, but also uses a smaller amount of copper.

If WM can use fibre optic broadband, why should BT not be allowed to describe it as fibre optic broadband, both have a similar amount of metal involved now.

Can someone please explain this Fibre to the cabinet thing, where is the fibre coming from, the home to the cabinet, the exchange to the cabinet, and most importantly if it does offer faster speeds than current ADSL2+ (up to 24 Mbit/sec), will other ISP's such as Be /O2 be offering FTTC ?

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

'Exclusively uses fibre optic' - not good
'uses fibre' - well it does, but also uses a smaller amount of copper.

If WM can use fibre optic broadband, why should BT not be allowed to describe it as fibre optic broadband, both have a similar amount of metal involved now.

Didn't I say that is what he was going to reply with?

And no, neither of them ( and nobody else ) should be allowed to mislead people in the name of profit!

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Can someone please explain this Fibre to the cabinet thing, where is the fibre coming from, the home to the cabinet, the exchange to the cabinet, and most importantly if it does offer faster speeds than current ADSL2+ (up to 24 Mbit/sec), will other ISP's such as Be /O2 be offering FTTC ?

It's fibre, instead of copper, from the exchange to the cabinet.

Yes. other ISPs like Sky, TalkTalk and o2 will be offering FTTC.

Maybe best to wait for O2 /BE offerings then ... but looking at the upstream line rate with the possibility of 9Mbit/sec, I got a feeling they'll also have to limit it in some way.

I mean most private torrent sites look for a 1:1 sharing ratio, so if you've got the possibility of uploading at 9Mbit/sec, or 8Mbit, or 7Mbit or anything above the current 1.2Mbit, your gonna use it, there are an awful lot of torrenters out there, me included.

Kevin.

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In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Weren't BT one of the complainers to the ASA about Virgin claiming fibre optic broadband?

It's perfectly accurate Bob.

'Uses fibre optics' which is completely true and somewhat different from advertising 'fibre optic broadband'.

'Completely true'........ Really so what about the bit of cable from cabinet to the household...... Is that also "USING" fibre optics?

Seriously you sound like a BT P.R. Guru..... I wont mention what intellect level i deem them, just incase you think its a compliment. When obviously it wouldnt be.

The more you defend them the funnier it gets.

shall i make you feel really dumb..........

http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProduc...

oh look what they call it...
Quote"BT Infinity is our new fibre optic broadband"

Nice defence attempt, should do more research first though... opps

You amuse me rather than making me feel dumb. It would appear any attempt to point out the factual holes in your attempts to attack those you disapprove of is being a 'fan boy'.

It uses fibre in the loop so can be described as 'using fibre optics' perfectly well. It doesn't mention anything about exclusive use of fibre optics. I'm not really being pedantic I'm pointing out your attempt to be pedantic fails.

Given that Virgin have been advertising 'fibre optic' broadband I would fully expect BT to describe their product as such given that it's now of a similar ratio of copper to fibre as the Virgin network. Flood gates open, can't beat them join them and all that.

I'm unsure as to why BT should follow some higher moral code than Virgin when it comes to advertising. They tried and failed to stop Virgin calling their product fibre optic so they are, now, just following the rules.

Can someone please explain this Fibre to the cabinet thing

I had a try on this page.

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BT could save millions of £'s on their Infinity availability checker. All they really need is a recording of that Little Britain character.....

"Computer says no"

Ahhh, now I understand.

I thought it said "Doh!".

Or maybe "Don't!".

The typist must have had a cold.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

'Exclusively uses fibre optic' - not good
'uses fibre' - well it does, but also uses a smaller amount of copper.

If WM can use fibre optic broadband, why should BT not be allowed to describe it as fibre optic broadband, both have a similar amount of metal involved now.

I agree they should both be allowed to call it fibre even though part of the connection to a user will use copper, from both BT an Virgin.

HOWEVER... The question remains......

Why did BT beehatch about Virgin calling their hybrid fibre/copper service "Fibre Optic Broadband" and have such issue with it, but then like hypocrites go and do the same thing thereself??????

Would you like me to try and find the news story that appeared on here to refresh things?

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In reply to a post by CARPETBURN:

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

... nested quotes trimmed ...

It's perfectly accurate Bob.

'Uses fibre optics' which is completely true and somewhat different from advertising 'fibre optic broadband'.

'Completely true'........ Really so what about the bit of cable from cabinet to the household...... Is that also "USING" fibre optics?

Seriously you sound like a BT P.R. Guru..... I wont mention what intellect level i deem them, just incase you think its a compliment. When obviously it wouldnt be.

The more you defend them the funnier it gets.

shall i make you feel really dumb..........

http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProduc...

oh look what they call it...
Quote"BT Infinity is our new fibre optic broadband"

Nice defence attempt, should do more research first though... opps

You amuse me rather than making me feel dumb. It would appear any attempt to point out the factual holes in your attempts to attack those you disapprove of is being a 'fan boy'.

It uses fibre in the loop so can be described as 'using fibre optics' perfectly well. It doesn't mention anything about exclusive use of fibre optics. I'm not really being pedantic I'm pointing out your attempt to be pedantic fails.

Given that Virgin have been advertising 'fibre optic' broadband I would fully expect BT to describe their product as such given that it's now of a similar ratio of copper to fibre as the Virgin network. Flood gates open, can't beat them join them and all that.

I'm unsure as to why BT should follow some higher moral code than Virgin when it comes to advertising. They tried and failed to stop Virgin calling their product fibre optic so they are, now, just following the rules.

See my above reply.......... Do you need a reminder?

BT moaned when Virgin called their service Fibre Optic Broadband as it still used part copper.......

BT like typical ignorant, stupid people have now done the same thing.

Hypocrites to complain about another companies Advertising and then (atleast in their minds) mis-advertise their own product. (BT FTTC isnt FULL FIBRE OPTIC its part copper just like Virgin).

BT complained Virgin shouldnt be allowed to advertise their service as Fibre Optic broadband as part of the service uses copper and now BT are doing exactly the same thing right on their own damn homepage for the product.

If you think thats not dumb though and thinking that way isnt dumb, id say seek help.

BT are hypocrites and you are soooo obviously a BT fanboy to defend their stupidity. Id call that DUMB

Edited by deleted (Thu 28-Jan-10 17:11:46)