In reply to a post by Pgre:

But do they have Mythbusters for free ?
Or Lost or 24 or Flashforward..

Those are the only things I watch ?? Well Mythbusters and the other half watches the others.

Dunno what you are talking about......

Mythbusters (at least some episodes) is even on freeview now (channel= quest)
24 is rumoured to be coming to an end
Flashforward is free even on analogue on a channel named channel 5

The only real Pay thing in that lot for us in the UK is Lost and thats in its last season now.

In reply to a post by zebedeee:

In reply to a post by Rich44:

Most freesat boxes seem to put out a better picture than sky boxes HD excepted of course

Wow, you must own a lot of boxes and TV's, to enable you to compare them side by side to form that opinion !

Actually hes right (IN PART) older sky boxes (NON-HD ones over a year old) are 10bit digital, freesat (except the real cheap boxes) are 12bit....... DAC. Anything under 40inch TV you wont notice much difference except with snout up against the screen, larger screens though you will notice slightly less blocking to the picture.

Edited by deleted (Mon 22-Mar-10 19:25:37)

In reply to a post by Rich44:

My Humax freesat box has a CAM slot

Yeah but it's not a lot of use.

What I've heard (second hand) is that the BBC have strong objections to CAMs and for that reason there are no encrypted channels on the Freesat EPG and never will be. I think it has something to with the license fee and fears about what the CAM would mean for that.

The slot is probably disabled when the HDR is operating in Freesat mode. Unfortunately due to the way satellites operate at the moment that makes it pretty much useless in the UK. About the only commercially encrypted channels we can receive are encrypted using Sky's system. There are some dodgy ways to use a Sky card in none-Sky equipment but it's a bit of a pain.

Aside from the ability to record stuff you'd be better off in that case buying a second hand Sky box on EBay and paying the one-off £25 to get Freesat from Sky. At least then you get a 7-day EPG and you get a few more channels.

So in simple terms:If you tell your Humax HDR to forget about Freesat you can use the CAM - but there's nothing much you can do with it unless you like 'hacking'. In Freesat mode the CAM is disabled and/or has nothing to decrypt anyway.

Edited by Andrue (Mon 22-Mar-10 19:05:53)

In reply to a post by CARPETBURN:

Actually hes right (IN PART) older sky boxes (NON-HD ones over a year old) are 10bit digital, freesat (except the real cheap boxes) are 12bit....... Anything under 40inch TV you wont notice much difference except with snout up against the screen, larger screens though you will notice slightly less blocking to the picture.

Well I never knew that. Then again all new boxes are HD boxes now anyway.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Brainiacs also know that not all insurance will replace goods with new goods, i.e. some policies assess age of item, and replace at the value of the item, not its brand new price.

So what is this uber backup plan? That does not involve any BT at all?

If they are that clever they wouldnt buy a policy like that in the first place..... If they are not going to replace your stuff no point in having it...... I spose some are happy to have their bluray player replaced by VHS though LOL

My uber backup plan as you put it, which doesnt involve any part of BT, Virgin or a Mobile phone company....... Is called Wireless, provided by the trading estate my business is located on for emergency use to businesses when their phones and internet dies at the hands of BT shambby-ness, which happens alot on the estate.

Gives up with you again...

They would not replace a blu-ray with a VHS, but e.g. a PS3 bought for £350 in 2008, will perhaps only be worth £180 now, i.e. what they think you can get a 2nd replacement. This is why some policies have 'replace with new' options.

You can use your argument of 'if they are that clever' to refer to the ADSL and failure situation. A clever business person would look at the fault repair times quoted, and decide whether acceptable or not.

Wireless to where? How do you know that BT is not providing part of the link in that chain? Happy that this works for you, but many businesses are not located on an estate that offers services like this.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

So lets stop arguing and ask you this...

What should be the default fault repair time?

That depends on the fault and if it is BT at fault......... I dont expect BT to wave a magic wand and fix a billion cables chopped in half by some trainee workman let loose with a kangoo on the pavements.

I do expect them to replace faulty bits in the exchange though (which is what the OP issue was) within 5-10 hours tops.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

What should be penalty for going over that time?

Refund for the period of service lost along with a percentage of that amount in compensation for starters...... If the consumer also pays for additional services from them which are not accesible in that time, the charges for those should also be refunded for the period they were unavailable.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Should residential be the same as business? If not, then how does an ISP know you are using it for business?

A business address for the billing might be a clue.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

i.e. force you onto their business tarriff if claiming back VAT?

For many ISPs the charge for a monthly ADSL connection be it business or residential is similarly priced nowadays, (Ill name a few which are similar in price if needed) so faults should also be fixed in similar timely fashion.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Gives up with you again...

They would not replace a blu-ray with a VHS, but e.g. a PS3 bought for £350 in 2008, will perhaps only be worth £180 now, i.e. what they think you can get a 2nd replacement. This is why some policies have 'replace with new' options.

You can use your argument of 'if they are that clever' to refer to the ADSL and failure situation. A clever business person would look at the fault repair times quoted, and decide whether acceptable or not.

Wireless to where? How do you know that BT is not providing part of the link in that chain? Happy that this works for you, but many businesses are not located on an estate that offers services like this.

Possible that BT are providing an ethernet link to the base station.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Gives up with you again...

They would not replace a blu-ray with a VHS, but e.g. a PS3 bought for £350 in 2008, will perhaps only be worth £180 now, i.e. what they think you can get a 2nd replacement. This is why some policies have 'replace with new' options.

Funny insurance policy then...... Mine goes on value of goods when you take the insurance, and you pay insurance based on that amount, not what its worth 2 years later. You couldnt buy a PS3 for £180 (unless you buy someones ebay rubbish) so they wouldnt be replacing it would they?

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

You can use your argument of 'if they are that clever' to refer to the ADSL and failure situation. A clever business person would look at the fault repair times quoted, and decide whether acceptable or not.

Over 24 hours to just screw a new bit in at the exchange to me isnt acceptable, when its probably a 2 hour job tops.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Wireless to where? How do you know that BT is not providing part of the link in that chain?

The company that provides it to the estate is a small business, part of many others in a group which i believe is owned by a Hong Kong comms company (or used to be).... Theres nothing BT about them.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Happy that this works for you, but many businesses are not located on an estate that offers services like this.

Didnt i say there is no full proof backup for everyone? The system on the estate isnt perfect, its faster both download and upload wise than anything BT can offer that area but can be affected by the weather...... The other downside for some areas (heritage etc) is the outside antenna on the building even though its pretty small some would not like it.

Yep... appologies.. realised Fast Forward was on 5.
Never seen any of the new Mythbusters on freeview though.. not unless I have to wait a few years.

But from what your saying.. apart from lost...Sky is dead !
Wooo.. that will save me a few quid.