If Infinity goes 'downhill' punters will walk. But at Zen prices, the mass market is unlikely to walk their way. This isn't ignorance, it's economics.

BT Retail has a compelling price point and is cleaning up at the moment. However TalkTalk and Sky are coming and history suggests that they will be the serious competitors to BT Retail.

Being first to market, BT have it all to win and all to lose. I would think they are aware of this and will act accordingly.

O2 is a good example. Just take a look at the new packages! Unlimited LLU without shaping didn't last very long. They're now trying to con customers (I have read testimonials on other forums), encouraging them to move from unlimited & unshaped to shaped.

I'm letting expipexer know the facts about BT Infinity as he'll no doubt have to dive into the small print to find them out for himself.

How will punters walk if they're stuck in an 18 month contract?

In reply to a post by Zadeks:

O2 is a good example. Just take a look at the new packages! Unlimited LLU without shaping didn't last very long. They're now trying to con customers (I have read testimonials on other forums), encouraging them to move from unlimited & unshaped to shaped.

I'm letting expipexer know the facts about BT Infinity as he'll no doubt have to dive into the small print to find them out for himself.

Define "under-priced"

In reply to a post by Zadeks:

How will punters walk if they're stuck in an 18 month contract?

Because if the T&C's change, the contract is broken.

As in, why do the majority of other FTTC providers charge more for fewer gigabytes of bandwidth?

I'm sure they already have traffic shaping included in the T&Cs. There's nothing stopping them from increasing the severity/including other protocols.

Economies of scale.

In reply to a post by Zadeks:

I'm sure they already have traffic shaping included in the T&Cs. There's nothing stopping them from increasing the severity/including other protocols.

This is FUD.

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The question is, how long will BT Infinity last before it goes downhill? I believe they're offering rock bottom prices to attract ignorant consumers.

We have FTTC with Zen (40Mb/s 24/7 regardless of protocol) as we refuse to be duped by BT.

Plenty of informed consumers using it too, however.

It's a rock bottom price compared to other ISPs currently but it's not rock bottom in the sense I believe you meant.

They charge you 25.60 for infinity option 2 (up to 40mbit with 300GB FUP) or 25.60 for Broadband option 3 (up to 20mbit, again with 300GB FUP). This is a pretty simple strategy. The pricing is equal - those who can get the FTTC get better speed but still only really get to download as much as those on regular ADSL/ADSL2. For BT it's not the speed that's important but how much they're having to transfer to you overall.

Compare with someone like Zen. Willing to rip you off (yes, rip you off) for over 35 quid a month for 100GB transfer on ADSL2 and even have the cheek to charge 48 quid set up unless you migrate in. Why, for the same 100GB usage, do they feel obliged to charge you over 45 quid for FTTC? Same data...more expense. Perhaps they want to keep people on ADSL2 at slower speeds.

It appears you are a Zen user. Are you paying out 66 sheets a month for the service that's "almost as good as BT's"? Happy to be paying nearly 500 quid a year more for your service? Or did you go with the jippy option that offers [censored] upload and comical usage limit that is only a tenner a month more?

Be interested to see your list of "benefits" for your chosen ISP. You mentioned "duped" in another one of your posts. Seems you're the one who has been duped into emptying your wallet unnecessarily each month. I also note you state "We have FTTC with Zen (40Mb/s 24/7 regardless of protocol)". How does this square with Zen's own, admirably honest statement, that there will be variations in speed due to a number of factors including time of day, equipment and contention. You seem to be under the impression that 40mbit is guaranteed forever but your own ISP seems less convinced.

Edited by orly (Sat 22-Jan-11 21:32:37)