penny per share? to match the under investment in local loop.

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Let me explain my thoughts.

BT are doing an incredibly bad job IMO of operating a critical infrastructure IMO (not rolling out broadband universally, removing tools from ISPs to allow them to perform proper diagnostics, I could go on)

Note that this is NOT a dig at the good folks maintaining the infrastructure day in and day out.

My idea is something administered by the state but works in practice like one of the Internet Exchange Points whereby the companies that provide services over the infrastructure pay into any own an equal share and it run for the benefit of all, not just where BT can make a tidy profit.

You are confused about which bits Openreach run and which other parts of BT and ISPs etc. do.

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My idea is something administered by the state

I suspect you may not be old enough to remember when the telephone system was administered by the state, as part of the GPO...

I am, and no thank you very much!!

In reply to a post by techguy:

Let me explain my thoughts.

BT are doing an incredibly bad job IMO of operating a critical infrastructure IMO (not rolling out broadband universally, removing tools from ISPs to allow them to perform proper diagnostics, I could go on) ....

I do tend to agree with your comment about the removal of diagnostic tools and other useful information, but both of those could be solved by a stronger mandate for OfCom from the government.

I also think Openreach would be better fully independent of BT Group. That is not the same thing as nationalisation.

For heavens sake man! The politicians, by definition, directly control nationalised enterprises. They don't even understand what the current problems are, never mind present an inviting prospect as the management of the system. For example, look at the state of the road system!

Additionally, "the infrastructure" includes an awful lot of BT Wholesale kit and facilities. Does that get nationalised as well, so then be far more cosily in bed with Openreach than it is now? At the moment there is at least a "Chinese Wall".

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Surely nationalising Openreach will line the pockets of BT Shareholders. What price are you gong to pay us.

Railtrack, anyone?

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BT are doing an incredibly bad job IMO of operating a critical infrastructure

What; and you think a nationalised organisation would make a better job of it

Yes I remember Bill. 3 year wait for a phone.

I used to live in Newbury, and the phones didn't have dials- you lifted the receiver, waited for the operator and she put you through to the number you wanted.¹

After about 3 years we got a new exchange and phones with dials.... sounds like pre-WW2? It was ~1973

With that lot in charge they'd still be trialling dial-up.





¹ It had its plus side- if the number was busy she'd try again at intervals and call you back when it was free

We were 'lucky' all my friends had the same as you. We lived in a small village and had one of the first 'automatic' exchanges. The luxury of a dial that worked, and I think it was the late sixties.

I gotta agree, this would be a ridiculous idea.

BT isn't the best company in the world, but at least they're starting to roll fibre out.

It's not a given right that anyone should expect a broadband service.

Also, the smaller firm would then be more likely to be purchased by a foreign firm, which means it'll get stripped right down for even more profit.