In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

I am in a city area and the same boat, both leics and nottingham not in plans at all.

yet little seaside towns and villages getting FTTC hahaha.

BT crumbled to the rural brigade and political pressure, awaiting a nice tax break soon I guess.

I wish! This whole county is still waiting for WBC/21cn let alone FFTx/LLU

As ever the usual suspect get a second or third upgrade - its about time our second rate service was dropped in price to reflect the bargain basement performance levels.

Sure as hell this area isnt getting any investment.

In reply to a post by gwaelod:

I live in about as far south of Wales as you can without being in the sea, and our exchange doesn't have anything more than ADSL max. We have a few FTTC exchanges around here, but not all of South Wales has FTTC.

You have more than we have here in South West Wales. the nearest LLU to us is about 40 miles east in the next county.

According to this BT had originally thought that 21CN would be in place by 2011 country-wide

I don't expect to see my 20CN exchange upgraded in the next ten years

In reply to a post by Apprentice:

According to this BT had originally thought that 21CN would be in place by 2011 country-wide

I don't expect to see my 20CN exchange upgraded in the next ten years

They are probably spending the money on FTTx rollouts for those who already have faster services, leaving the remaining market one exchanges staggering along on old tech equipment. Time for tourist class service to command a tourist class price! Only in Broadband do we see the ludicrous situation where those on the slowest services with the oldest tech pay the most for the privilege of being taken for granted and milked with high charges .

Edited by deleted (Thu 16-Jun-11 17:49:54)

That it would appear is exactly what they are doing, which is why it is important the government help with the rollout of faster services in rural areas, hopefully non BT but unlikely given the state of things, I'm not sure giving BDUK £830m is enough though, I think they are underestimating how important 'broadband' will become.

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

We have to pay more as most rural exchanges are market 1.

No, you pay exactly the same prices as any other user.

In reply to a post by tri_hard:

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

We have to pay more as most rural exchanges are market 1.

No, you pay exactly the same prices as any other user.

For example if your ISP was Plusnet you would pay less per month for their BB packages if your exchange was market 2 and even less if it was classified as market 3 compared to if the exchange was market 1.
Other ISPs using the same BT IPStream set up don't necessarily pass on the savings as Ofcom probably hoped they would with the presence of LLU providers in exchanges classified as mkt2 and mkt3.

In reply to a post by tri_hard:

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

We have to pay more as most rural exchanges are market 1.

No, you pay exactly the same prices as any other user.

Not a totally accurate contradiction.

1) ISPs pay less for broadband service to their customers on M3 exchanges. (I'm not sure about M2). Only one that I know of passes this reduction onto their customers - Plusnet. On all other BT-Wholesale ISPs, as you say they pay the same. Such ISPs make a higher profit from their M3 customers, so those in fact subsidise the M1 customers.

2) There is a correlation between being WBC-enabled, (BT 21CN/ADSL2+), and Market classification. Several ISPs charge the customer less on WBC connections as the costs are lower. Which subsidises which is another question.

3) The fact an exchange is M2/M3 means by definition that LLU is available. Nearly all the LLU companies charge less than BT Wholesale ISPs, or give more for the money. This is a major problem for M1 residents, as those options are not available to them.

If you think that if you get a slower service you should pay less then you would have to pay more as your line will be logner there for cost more to maintain and provide.

Also cost to ISP is not based off how fast you can go but by the combined requirments of all their line over the month

It cheaper for them to have someone who hardly ever uses the net, on a 20 meg connect than someone who used the net heavily on a 2 meg connection. As that 2 meg user would use way more of the pip capcity

In reply to a post by Apprentice:

According to this BT had originally thought that 21CN would be in place by 2011 country-wide

I don't expect to see my 20CN exchange upgraded in the next ten years

I thought BT had effectively stopped their 21CN rollout (which is different to the ADSL2+ WBC rollout)?

This page shows the number of households who can get ADSL2+ increasing from 55% (circa 14m) in April 2010 to 80% (circa 20m) by the end of 2011. The 80% target was publically announced in April and once its been done I expect BT will continue to roll it out to more exchanges

FWIW I believe different parts of BT are responsible for rolling out FTTC and ADSL2+.

Regards
Sunil