Going back to my original question. How does BT's 21CN compare to LLU? If on 21CN aren't we subject to BT's IP Profiling stuff? Does it also make any difference that a lot of 21CN products are up to 20Mbps and LLU is usually up to 24Mbps?

Up to 20Mbps and up to 24Mbps, just confusing marketing speak, they are all ADSL2+ and in theory capable of 24Mbps, but so few get that speed that some ISP's prefer to use upto 16 or 20Meg as the marketing figure.

IP Profile still exists, but on a large number of WBC (21CN) exchanges it is a real time adjustment now.

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Going back to my original question. How does BT's 21CN compare to LLU? If on 21CN aren't we subject to BT's IP Profiling stuff?

My speeds with LLU and 21CN WBC I find are the same.
I switch my router off overnight and the speed does not decrease, so I think it is not affected by profiling.

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Does it also make any difference that a lot of 21CN products are up to 20Mbps and LLU is usually up to 24Mbps?

From my experienced on Orange LLU broadband it was the other way around, first I was capped at 16000Kbps then months later 18000Kbps.
Now I see on 21CN WBC capped at 24000Kbps. Infomation from 2Wire 2700HGV router�

2Wire Management and Diagnostic Console
Troubleshooting � DSL Diagnostics
General Information
DSLAM: Country: {0xB5} Vendor: {IFTN} Specific: {0xBE71}
DSL Line (Wire Pair): Line 1 (inner pair)
Downstream Rate Cap: 24384 kbps
Downstream Atten. at 300kHz: 23.6 dB
Uncancelled Echo: -26.4 dB Ok
VCXO Frequency Offset: 9.5 ppm Ok
Final Rx Gain: 13.6 dB Ok
Impulse Noise Comp. Tones: 0 Ok
Excessive Impulse Noise: 0 Ok
Impulse noise protection: 0.00
Delay of latency path: 0.07 ms

I've been looking on Orange site. Its £10 for broadband without orange mobile and then £12.75 line rental. If you choose just broadband they seem to want to charge £17.75. This is like when you don't take phone off a LLU provider and pay higher phone costs for using BT systems.

More like they make more profit from you if you take calls from them.

However, their call prices are not much diff. from BT's and BT's CS for the phone is far superior.

Yes but its lots mor expensive for the broadband side if you don't take Orange phone.

Exactly! You just need to weigh up the the Pros & the Cons.

I choose Orange Simply BB + BT Phone and would never change that mix, altho' would change ISP if necessary (which having BT Phone makes easier).

Ok that makes sense

Have you heard of any problems of Orange customers moving their broadband? Actually if you sign up to phone and broadband from Orange and want to change broadband would you have to move phone also, Orange don't seem to provide just phone. If so makes perfect sense having BT as phone line.

You would need to take out line rental with someone else, your new ISP if they do it, or BT or PO. The actual line should be unchanged but you may need to pay a connection charge, e.g. up to £30 from BT. You will probably tie yourself into a min term contract. All this is avoided if you keep it with BT in the 1st place.

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I've been looking on Orange site. Its £10 for broadband without orange mobile and then £12.75 line rental. If you choose just broadband they seem to want to charge £17.75. This is like when you don't take phone off a LLU provider and pay higher phone costs for using BT systems.

Hi chrish16, I find Orange for landline phone no different to being with BT, it�s like being with BT but paying Orange prices. You get the same BT answering service and caller display.

I was on a 12 months rolling contract for telephone with BT and had to wait until one month before the end, to cancel the BT rolling contract. Then I had to wait 2 months for my previous ISP broadband contract to finish, before I could move to Orange for broadband and landline phone.

My mobile phone is on contract with T-Mobile until January next year, I may move it to Orange, but it will depend on price. I want 300 minutes, 300 texts, 500MB data per month and find T-Mobile very competitive for this.

http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/sim-only/tariffs/

Orange have increased their charges this week, line rental was £11.50 now £12.75 a month.

http://shop.orange.co.uk/broadband/compare-all/ If current session closed, click again.

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