The CRC errors ain't good, but if the ES is Error Seconds, then that is way, way over the top.

Graping with RouterStats or RouterStats Lite needed to see what the SNR is doing

Very steady.

no massive fluctuations usually 0.1-0.3

DGN2000 known to be dodgy in some cases - has a habit of overheating quite badly

For comparison, I'd try another router

In reply to a post by epyon:

BE LLU

Netgear DGN2000 (BCM6338)

Fastpath

thought when gaming sometimes i get spikes/lag while hosting its sort of annoying.

i'll post full stats

# adslctl info --stats
adslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: ShowtimeRetrain Reason: 8000

Channel: FAST, Upstream rate = 1399 Kbps, Downstream rate = 18239 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode: ADSL2+
Channel: Fast
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 3.6 3.2
Attn(dB): 27.0 12.8
Pwr(dBm): 18.7 12.4
Max(Kbps): 21671 1391
Rate (Kbps): 18239 1399
G.dmt framing
K: 255(0) 40
R: 0 0
S: 1 1
D: 1 1
ADSL2 framing
MSGc: 61 16
B: 254 39
M: 1 1
T: 2 3
R: 0 0
S: 0.4829 0.9815
L: 4224 326
D: 1 1
Counters
SF: 3583130 3623190
SFErr: 10012 25106
RS: 0 0
RSCorr: 0 0
RSUnCorr: 0 0

HEC: 2135 7222
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 2493751985 3374272527
Data Cells: 33176812 259273759
Drop Cells: 4687
Bit Errors: 0 773214

ES: 9283 17580
SES: 520 0
UAS: 227 2181
AS: 57973

INP: 0.00 0.00
PER: 16.17 16.19
delay: 0.12 0.24
OR: 33.12 10.86

Bitswap: 10968 52

Total time = 1 days 14 hours 48 min 47 sec
SF = 8639378
CRC = 42313
LOS = 3
LOF = 27
ES = 9283
Latest 1 day time = 14 hours 48 min 47 sec
SF = 3296036
CRC = 9339
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES = 2541
Latest 15 minutes time = 3 min 47 sec
SF = 14072
CRC = 3
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES = 3
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
SF = 55609
CRC = 67
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES = 41
Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec
SF = 5343342
CRC = 32974
LOS = 3
LOF = 27
ES = 6742
15 minutes interval [-30 min to -15 min] time = 15 min 0 sec
SF = 55609
CRC = 148
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES = 52
15 minutes interval [-45 min to -30 min] time = 15 min 0 sec
SF = 55608
CRC = 367
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES = 67
15 minutes interval [-60 min to -45 min] time = 15 min 0 sec
SF = 55671
CRC = 105
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES = 54
Showtime Drop Reason: 8000
Last Retrain Reason: 8000
#

For comparison purposes

Status: ShowtimeRetrain Reason: 8000
Channel: FAST, Upstream rate = 1832 Kbps, Downstream rate = 16594 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode: ADSL2+ AnnexM EU-56
Channel: Fast
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 2.8 2.4
Attn(dB): 34.0 16.9
Pwr(dBm): 18.6 13.1
Max(Kbps): 19638 1832
Rate (Kbps): 16594 1832
G.dmt framing
K: 255(0) 53
R: 0 0
S: 1 1
D: 1 1
ADSL2 framing
MSGc: 55 16
B: 254 52
M: 1 1
T: 2 3
R: 0 0
S: 0.5308 0.9953
L: 3843 426
D: 1 1
Counters
SF: 14698939 14876818
SFErr(CRCErr): 14385 62972
RS: 0 0
RSCorr: 0 0
RSUnCorr: 0 0

HEC: 9429 16788
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 725665034 133336667
Data Cells: 908858828 1595141916
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 211488197

ES: 9563 303264
SES: 39 0
UAS: 51 1
AS(Uptime): 238029

INP: 0.00 0.00
PER: 16.19 16.42
delay: 0.13 0.24
OR: 30.14 10.71

Bitswap: 40355 40128
Total uptime: 238029

Total time = 1 days 18 hours 8 min 19 sec
SF = 14701850
CRC = 14387
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES = 9563
Latest 1 day time = 18 hours 8 min 19 sec
SF = 4033255
CRC = 3206
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES = 2163
Latest 15 minutes time = 8 min 19 sec
SF = 30852
CRC = 13
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES = 13
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
SF = 55569
CRC = 23
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES = 20
Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec
SF = 5336497
CRC = 4989
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES = 3444
15 minutes interval [-30 min to -15 min] time = 15 min 0 sec
SF = 55631
CRC = 33
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES = 30
15 minutes interval [-45 min to -30 min] time = 15 min 0 sec
SF = 55569
CRC = 42
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES = 35
15 minutes interval [-60 min to -45 min] time = 15 min 0 sec
SF = 55569
CRC = 54
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES = 42
Showtime Drop Reason: 8000
Last Retrain Reason: 8000

My connection isn't noticeably affected most of the time by these errors, the upstream snr flaps around continually(normally between 1-2db of the set 3db)

But the downstream snr tends to take a dip during the daytime but will jump back to the set level again after whatever causes it to plumit by 0.5-1db is switched off again or stops,

sometimes this will cause a loss of sync, even though the snr at the time is at a normal level , this seems to be a cycle of every 2 or 3 weeks what that is about i ain't sure

My ping monitor shows no or very little packet loss but has in the past shown bursts of loss upto 40% but i could not notice any significant impact,

Well mines only slightly warm as its mounted vertical on legs.

But i have seen it get redhot

i think ill leave this 1 night/day and see how things go then switch to

BEbox or DG384G.

Ok so

Netgear - Direct Link
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/3b4f475e7b7...

Switched to BEBOX - http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/45c655784b7...

meh...

At least 3 others on BE seeing packet loss on f8lure graphs from 10pm until about 12am since 11/09/2011

In reply to a post by nredwood:

At least 3 others on BE seeing packet loss on f8lure graphs from 10pm until about 12am since 11/09/2011

me too last night

In reply to a post by epyon:

Total time = 1 days 13 hours 56 min 46 sec
SF = 8446515
CRC = 41668
LOS = 3
LOF = 27
ES = 9099

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 18239 kbps 1399 kbps
Line Attenuation 27.0 db 12.8 db
Noise Margin 3.6 db 3.4 db


Thoughts?

on 3 or so years on adsl I learned to live with high error rates.

I just started only taking notice of "severely errored seconds". As when that counter went up is when I had a noticeable impact on my connection.