My new build estate had a TPON setup when we moved in, rendering DSL a no go until copper overlay was implemented.

There is probably fibre still underground, at least to the old TPON cabinet. Surely BT could swap this out for a DSLAM and quickly provide FTTC to the houses?

I've since moved away but they still suffer from sub-2Mbit speeds.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

The VDSL2 DSLAM may well be capable of voice too, meaning that in future the cabinet to exchange copper could vanish

That is the on-going debate about whether telephony should be capable of being independent of the customers power supply. Or is battery back up enough ... &c &c

Possibly the "wrong type of fibre" and would require additional equipment at the exchange.

battery backup is enough as far as ofcom is concerned

Also a FTTC phone line with its own battery backup, could power the copper part anyway.

Edited by MrSaffron (Mon 12-Mar-12 13:34:52)

The phone coming into your house is a dinosaur.

most people these days have mobiles. why have (and pay for) both?

In reply to a post by Moradin:

The phone coming into your house is a dinosaur.

most people these days have mobiles. why have (and pay for) both?

The ONLY reason I have a landline is the requirement to have a voice service to have broadband, I think if that were removed then there would be a big fall in the number of voice lines in service.

In reply to a post by Kiggs:

My new build estate had a TPON setup when we moved in, rendering DSL a no go until copper overlay was implemented.

There is probably fibre still underground, at least to the old TPON cabinet. Surely BT could swap this out for a DSLAM and quickly provide FTTC to the houses?

I've since moved away but they still suffer from sub-2Mbit speeds.

I have experience of the dreaded TPON fairly often. In the Kinswells area of Aberdeen TPON was implemented, Sky DSL is incompatible with TPON, but sales don't seem to know this and go ahead and place an order for DSL on a TPON line!

In reply to a post by connormill:

I have experience of the dreaded TPON fairly often. In the Kinswells area of Aberdeen TPON was implemented, Sky DSL is incompatible with TPON, but sales don't seem to know this and go ahead and place an order for DSL on a TPON line!

That must be a frustrating experience !

I'm with Sky broadband having recently moved to them from O2 broadband.

Yes, BT were using fibre for junction cables way before broadband and still pick up patent royalty payments for fibre deployment techniques used by other operators worldwide.

Edited by deleted (Mon 12-Mar-12 20:43:07)

In reply to a post by warweezil:

The ONLY reason I have a landline is the requirement to have a voice service to have broadband, I think if that were removed then there would be a big fall in the number of voice lines in service.

Seconded - this is one of the things that has always annoyed me about VirginMedia's pricing. You can have cable modem without voice service but you pay for the missing voice line.

MrSaffron explained to me a while ago that OpenReach's costs don't reduce very much if you take the voice service away and have ADSL/ADSL2+ without voice.

with VDSL/FTTC and FTTP services I hope there will eventually be a product that is internet without voice - but I suspect that for FTTC there will only be a £0.50 a month saving or so. FTTP could be more.