In reply to a post by E7er:

Orange prices are unbeatable, I have with them, line rental, free evening and weekend landline calls, 20 meg unlimited Broadband and Orange mobile phone contract, all for £25.50 per month.

Problem is they charge an extra £10 if one is not in their network area, however this £10 surcharge may be dropped at some unspecified point in the future according to Orange sales...

I agree though that the Orange 21CN WBC deal is very good if the exchange is in their network area

In reply to a post by Zadeks:

Number of customers is irrelevant. It's all about capacity.

Well, there is no slow down on my Orange broadband connection daytime or evenings, anyhow BT run the Orange broadband network now.

http://www.microscope.co.uk/news/2240154240/Orange-c...

http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/1989553/orange-moves-...

In reply to a post by E7er:

BT run the Orange broadband network now.

But remember Orange pay for a certain capacity from BT.

In reply to a post by 4M2:

Problem is they charge an extra £10 if one is not in their network area

Which is totally unjustifiable as they no longer have a network . It's all BT Wholesale itself.

Edited by RobertoS (Sun 15-Jul-12 20:58:39)

There could be some justification in charging extra in the areas where they previously did not have LLU. Just cuz they entered some commercial arrangement with BT doesn't mean they have to lose revenue, nor charging new custs less than old custs (tho' this often happens anyway in normal course of business).

Logical .

Dubious ethics.

"5.Why does Orange broadband cost more if I live outside of your network area?
Like all of the major providers, we have to pass on the costs we pay BT to offer broadband outside our network area. But we�re confident that our unlimited plans mean that we�re still offering great value." From the orange shop FAQ web page - seems sort of ethical even though the surcharge sum of £10 doesn't appear to be mentioned anywhere on the web page.

Plusnet don't impose the surcharge on Market 2 exchanges but perhaps they are not one of the "major providers". Maybe Orange consider BT and Plusnet to be essentially the same provider though...

That's an unchanged FAQ from when they had their own LLU network. The costs of providing a service over BT Wholesale outside that network justified a higher price.

They no longer have an LLU network. In fact they no longer have any network at all. The service is completely outsourced to BT Wholesale, on some unknown commercial deal. Most, if not all, Orange LLU customers have been moved from LLU exchange kit to BT Wholesale kit.

I don't know of any other ISP using this BT WHolesale White Label service, other than the Post Office. (I've a niggly feeling theirs has also gone elsewhere but I could be completely wrong about that). Vodafone did, but should by now have completed the handover of all their customers to Plusnet.

It's possible that the contract with BTW has a higher cost for ex-BT Wholesale connections, but that cannot be ethically justified. Only on a revenue protection basis as brought up (validly) by XRaySpeX.

The question of Market 1,2 and 3 pricing is a completely separate issue. That's not a "surcharge" as such. It is a pricing structure imposed by OfCom on what BT Wholesale have to charge ISPs using their service to connect customers to the ISP's network.

Plusnet certainly are a major provider, possibly now fourth, behind BT Retail, Sky and TalkTalk. The last figures I know of had them poised to overtake both Orange (as was) and O2/Be.

Maybe Orange consider BT and Plusnet to be essentially the same provider though.

I'm in the dark as to what you mean there .
_{Edit - Typo.}

Edited by RobertoS (Sun 15-Jul-12 23:08:54)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Maybe Orange consider BT and Plusnet to be essentially the same provider though.

I'm in the dark as to what you mean there .


Since Orange simplified BTW as BT I've simplified Plusnet as being owned by BT

I thought we were having a serious discussion.