In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Pah, Orange never had anywhere near the coverage of TalkTalk, Orange was smaller than the current O2 network.

Bah! Are you confusing coverage with customer base?

So you are saying the 85% that they both quote is just a coincidence? TT LLU = WBC coverages?

Don't believe I am.

TalkTalk has the largest number of LLU exchanges, and that footprint exceeds the footprint of WBC in terms of households passed and exchanges offering the service. Customers signed up may be a different matter.

Orange stopped its LLU roll-out a long time ago, and never got to the coverage levels of either TalkTalk LLU or WBC.

I still see this though: "...Orange Broadband network area, which covers 85% of all UK homes..." here https://broadband.orange.co.uk/home - is that misleading?

Maybe that includes mobile phone coverage also?

Edited by 4M2 (Mon 16-Jul-12 19:32:38)

That's exactly what I am talking about and had quoted earlier in this thread.

Yes you quoted it in full - I just quoted a part which suggests 85% of homes are in the broadband network area

Edited by 4M2 (Mon 16-Jul-12 19:45:19)

Which is roughly about the size of the BT Wholesale WBC network

A connection on WBC (irrespective of M1, M2, M3) is cheaper to run.

Ahhhh.

In reply to a post by 4M2:

In reply to a post by E7er:

Orange prices are unbeatable, I have with them, line rental, free evening and weekend landline calls, 20 meg unlimited Broadband and Orange mobile phone contract, all for £25.50 per month.

Problem is they charge an extra £10 if one is not in their network area, however this £10 surcharge may be dropped at some unspecified point in the future according to Orange sales...

I agree though that the Orange 21CN WBC deal is very good if the exchange is in their network area

When Orange state "their network area" they refer to BT market 3 exchange area.

Due to competition regulation rules Ofcom impose the £10 charge on BT for market 1 and market 2 exchange areas, BT make the charge to Orange, Orange pass the charge on to the customer. Only if you live in market 3 exchange areas will you not be charged the £10.

http://blog.broadbandpolicy.co.uk/2011/02/ofcom-upda...

Offer applicable for LLU to WBC line in Market 3 only https://www.btwholesale.com/pages/static/Promotion_1...

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange_search

But my exchange is M2 recently upgraded to 21CN WBC and Orange wanted to charge me an extra £10 because I live in one of those 15% of homes (?) outside of their so called network area...maybe Orange sales had not been updated on the status of my exchange and still believed it to be 20CN?

There is no law limiting where and when a provider can decide to surcharge someone.

If a provider wants to surcharge and you can get it cheaper elsewhere go elsewhere.

The updating of all this information does take time within companies, and is why the flat price model is simpler.