In reply to a post by E7er:

When Orange state "their network area" they refer to BT market 3 exchange area.

That's interesting

In reply to a post by 4M2:

But my exchange is M2 recently upgraded to 21CN WBC and Orange wanted to charge me an extra £10 because I live in one of those 15% of homes (?) outside of their so called network area...maybe Orange sales had not been updated on the status of my exchange and still believed it to be 20CN?

Market Classification is decided and published by OfCom from time to time. It does not change automatically when the exchange LLU profile changes.

It's nothing to do with whether WBC is enabled or not.

The latest list I'm aware of is this one, from December 2010.

Edited by RobertoS (Tue 17-Jul-12 14:33:54)

In reply to a post by E7er:

When Orange state "their network area" they refer to BT market 3 exchange area.

How do you know?

Those articles you link make no reference to it. As MrSaffron said they can charge what they like, regardless of who charges them what.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Market Classification is decided and published by OfCom from time to time. It does not change automatically when the exchange LLU profile changes.

It's nothing to do with whether WBC is enabled or not.

The latest list I'm aware of is this one, from December 2010.

That's a really interesting document - however are there any lists of exchanges that were previously LLU'ed by Orange and are now presumably in their "network area"? If their available LLU coverage was accessible by 85% of UK homes then that might explain how 85% of homes are now in their broadband network area - or am I reading this completely wrongly?

In reply to a post by 4M2:

... are there any lists of exchanges that were previously LLU'ed by Orange

Not that I know of. There would have been one on this samknows page. Maybe if you contact them they can give you a list of them before deletion.

If their available LLU coverage was accessible by 85% of UK homes then that might explain how 85% of homes are now in their broadband network area - or am I reading this completely wrongly?

That seems to be the emerging consensus. Orange seem not to have published how their area is determined.

"Please bear in mind that new providers come and go all the time, and the broadband market is currently quite volatile..." that quote from samknows probably sums the situation up quite well

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4215-orange-hand-...

"Currently, Orange's LLU network only reaches around 65% of the population, and they hold in total approximately 840,000 broadband customers. "

As I've said all along, coverage below current O2 levels.

If Orange are piggy backing on BT's national network then perhaps all 21CN WBC enabled exchanges will be in their "network area" at some point in the future then?

For sure another TBB forum member is getting a very good adsl2+ Orange broadband service from the same out of network area exchange as me but personally I wouldn't want to pay £10 more than the "network area" price as things currently stand.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

TalkTalk has the largest number of LLU exchanges, and that footprint exceeds the footprint of WBC in terms of households passed and exchanges offering the service. Customers signed up may be a different matter.

e.g. Forres in north east scotland, no WBC, no 21CN, but TalkTalk LLU !!

(hee, it seems since I last checked, Sky and WBC have arrived; what a little competition does.....)

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/NSFRS