it is indeed a Wholesale limit.

Do you have the Openreach one ? it's similar IIRC.

My issue is with ofcom's regulations themselves. I am not reporting breach's of regulation but rather want to be discussing the regulation itself with them.

The contractual length has many MP's attention already, its been seen as a barrier to takeup.

I thought the OR latest was what you quoted earlier? There is or was one around with specific figures but I assumed that one replaced it.

I quote a BTW document, while I expect it reflects Openreach I don't know that for a fact.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

My issue is with ofcom's regulations themselves. I am not reporting breach's of regulation but rather want to be discussing the regulation itself with them.

The contractual length has many MP's attention already, its been seen as a barrier to takeup.

That's because it is a barrier for many,and why take up of their FTTC in a lot of areas is low, non existant even
Then you have the lack of options available re your comments regarding loss of performance Isp's have no real control of the connection that they sell,
But anything over 12mths should be banned in my book, I always thought that longer contracts where only allowed for buisnesses , and for the domestic comsumers it was 12mths min term max ?
Open reach are inststant on a 12mth min term, but for some this doesn't appeal because it's entering unknown teritory , domestic customers should be given a trial period of a month, if FTTC doesn't work on their line properly they should be able to leave penalty free, or openreach should be duty bound to fix it where possbile( where economically viable)
One big problem with ofcom, is they are, pretty much all bark and no bite, and thus just another quango

Edited by tommy45 (Sat 19-Jan-13 13:19:36)

Would an upfront £150-200 fee be more acceptable than a minimum contract length ?

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

My issue is with ofcom's regulations themselves. I am not reporting breach's of regulation but rather want to be discussing the regulation itself with them.

You need to discuss this with parliament, not Ofcom.

In reply to a post by yarwell:

Would an upfront £150-200 fee be more acceptable than a minimum contract length ?

I agree with this point. The type of submissions the OP wishes to make really need to be thought about quite carefully. Regulation can't ignore economics. There is a trade off, I would anticipate, between a higher installation fee and a shorter minimum contract period, to achieve the same financial return. So is the point really that people would prefer to pay a higher initial fee, even the "full" installation cost whatever that might be - and that would encourage a greater take-up? (And ISPs might choose to retain their own minimum periods- what about LLU/"virtual" unbundling on VDSL?). So I'm not so sure about that one! BT might appreciate an earlier boost to their cash flow though.

When Ofcom set price limits they have access to a lot of financial information that is not in the public domain. We may feel quite free to tell them they should ignore all that, but shouldn't expect to get very far. Ignore it at their peril or judicial review will step in.

BTOR currently only charge isp's £96 including vat install fee which is being increased soon if not already,they also insist on a 12mths min term , infact if the ISP /SP requested both new line & fttc for no install fee as there is /was an BT offer on
The smaller isp's pass on the install fee (which i have no issue with paying) & the 12mths min term, but none are able to offer "unlimited"
Not sure about SKY &TT 's min term,
But yes for the option of a rolling monthly contract i would be prepared to pay upto £150 for the privilege

But what i do find out of order is 18/24mth min term contracts to residential customers

Edited by tommy45 (Sat 19-Jan-13 18:29:30)

I dont see the problem of simply lowering min terms without a penalty on the wires only install when its available.

aside from the barrier issue there is also the matter its a hinderence to competition which I would have thought would concern ofcom, there is little point in having competition if people cant move for 12 months without penalty.

and on the 12 months products I would expect free install, with a monthly service available with £100-150 install. (engineer install). and maybe 6 months with subsidised install maybe £50. and an engineer no show to yield a regulated full install refund to the end user to drive up standards.

actually I wouldnt really object to the install fees you quoted, but really there shouldnt be repeat install fees on migration. so £150 new install, no long term commitment, then ability to migrate free to new isp.

Edited by Chrysalis (Sat 19-Jan-13 19:45:09)