between FTTC isp's.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

so I misunderstood the situation but you should have paid the fee, that means I have not misunderstood it.

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You almost seem to be wilfully trying to misunderstand things that are posted, not just by me!

Let's just re-run the exchange.

So far as I can see, you replied to a post of mine with two questions that had nothing whatsoever to do with what I had posted earlier. Let's leave that aside, I did my best to answer the questions.

To wit "are you saying I have misunderstood the situation and isp's do not expect install fees for FTTC migrations? when you migrated from idnet to plusnet did you pay a install fee?"

To the "are you saying I have misunderstood the situation" I replied "Yes".

To "and isp's do not expect install fees for FTTC migrations?" I replied that I was not saying that. Surely that means I believe ISPs do expect to charge install fees for FTTC migrations? Or have I completely lost my control of the English language?

I then clarified it by in effect saying ISPs can charge the end user anything they darn well like, with any contractual terms they like, in order to recoup their costs - in particular Openreach migration and other charges.

Their only problem is drawing up a business plan that succeeds in pulling in the punters and continuing to make a profit.

Then we come to "when you migrated from idnet to plusnet did you pay a install fee?" How on earth you construe my answer to that to mean that ISPs do not expect to charge install fees for FTTC migrations is completely baffling and beyond me. The fact that I was involved in a mixup and the charge was waived in my case does not in any way run counter to my reply that they do expect so to do.

can an isp freely eg. charge nothing for migration have a monthly contract with no penalty and make profit in the process whilst charging the same as what plusnet do eg. on 18 month contracts.

How the heck do you expect me to know that? I don't have access to any ISP's business plans, marketing strategy planning, or detailed accounts. What's the purpose of the question?

Openreach charge the equivalent of £60 inc VAT
CP-CP GEA Migration - same product/premise 01/07/2009 50.00

haven't researched the ISP offers as no FTTC here. If an ISP made a fiver a month profit on a connection then it would take >10 months to get into profit if they swallowed the migration charge.

lets just drop it, dont want people pulling hairs out over this.

just an update not to further debate the merits of what I asked.

since ofcom are doing a consultation right now on contracts (but on price increases mid contract), I filled in the form for that and put my thoughts I wanted to raise on the contract length in the other notes box on that form.

Also seems I am not the only one to notice the anti competitiveness of this.

revk's blog has some info on it here.

http://revk.www.me.uk/2012/12/a-new-con-from-bt.html