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Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Thu 27-Jun-13 15:46:24
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Nothing is ever truly "free".

In this case though it is the rest of us who pay!




......... because I'm worth it ! grin

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(deleted) Thu 27-Jun-13 18:25:09
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Yes we are ! lol as for use well this weekend i hope to be watching the Lions if i can get wiziwig to work . If not its the pub at 11-30AM !
Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Thu 27-Jun-13 19:40:13
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You and me against the world Bert ! Good luck with the wiziwig, mind you the pub won't be a total fail will it ! smile


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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Thu 27-Jun-13 20:09:41
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In reply to a post by Lethe:
In reply to a post by colic:
In reply to a post by Lethe:
I am with you - and reading the replies, I still do not understand it at all.

Being on the 'net since 1995 with a 33.6kbs modem, I cannot understand the 'faster uploads' bit - let alone the 'streaming household' bit also?

Why do people need to 'upload' videos to family? What happened to speaking to them? Why does everybody need to have separate TV's/consoles/gadgets on the net to watch streaming video? Does nobody watch air TV any more/play football/go to the pub?

The world is getting weird and very, very sad.

Nick
P.S. when I was a kid, there was no mobile phones/internet - so when I went out for hours on end to play football, cycle or whatever, my parents never knew where I was or what I was up to - but it didn't matter. Now it seems, everybody is 'integrated' into facebook style lives where they all have to tell each other (with videos) when they have a cr4p et al.


It is not all about family videos that get uploaded, my upload reasons are updating my website, which often means uploading multiple images uploading even 10meg on a 0.3 upload speed is torture. Then when I have to upload a 500 meg plus tutorial video to youtube I have to do this overnight or hog the connection for hours during the day.


OK, 500 meg video? Explain - what is that, a 3 hour film? 500 meg?

Nick


Nope it is a 7 minute 60fps 720p 10,000 bitrate video. I would do 1080p but the upload size is just way too big
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Thu 27-Jun-13 21:54:12
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In reply to a post by FordStanza:
I'm just curious about why people need superfast broadband.


Well, I've almost always been connected, one way or another. The first stuff was with a 1200/75 modem (you whippersnappers with 9.6k modems!) for Prestel-type services and 300/300 speeds for BBS.

I lived in Sweden for a while in 1989, pre-internet, and can definitely tell you what it felt like to be out of contact with the civilised world. When the only truly viable thing to watch on TV was MTV, you know you are stuffed. And at £5 a pint (1989 prices), the pub wasn't a brilliant alternative either.

I then spent years flying to Sweden regularly - the hotel living, and swapping of timezones wasn't a heap of fun at all. You'd get back worn out, but at least the flights gave you time to read a paper.

[So, @Lethe, save your comments about what you'd get up to when abroad, until you've actually experienced it. It isn't all a bed of roses!]

My first forays online were in 1991 using mail-FTP servers to download linux. No web back then, but Demon followed in 1994.

I then worked in Sweden again for a while in 1998-9, when dial-up was prevalent. It wasn't good enough speed to carry either VoIP or webcam video, so didn't do much for keeping in contact with family. However, you could easily follow world events and news with text/image websites. A vast improvement.

2Mbps broadband in 2000, and "always on" with the phone left free for calls, was an eye-opener that made working from home viable. And readily doable for odd days. Upload was an issue at getting finished product uploaded though.

8Mbps in 2006ish made working from home fully viable for 2 people, with almost no need to attend an office. The upload speed would still be an issue, especially when having to deploy software to clients. But download was plenty.

The 8Mbps could be tested at times by 2008, with 2 users, as video became more prevalent - especially iPlayer.

We moved to 40/10 FTTC in 2011, at roughly the same cost - and I deliberately wanted the higher upload speed for my work. The wife found that this increase in upload speed enabled her to switch to using the office VoIP systems for calls, so we could lose a phone line, making everything cheaper. Download speed was more than enough, then. The increase in package size, and impending teenagerdom for the daughter meant that the speeds are being used more and more now.

And of course, we can now video the family in Australia.

We went to 80/20 in 2012. At first as part of a trial, but later as an integral part of the package. The enhancement is useful, but probably not needed.

Now, of course, there's a whole array of equipment connected. Three mobile phones (and the femto cell, due to poor indoor coverage) and two tablets, three laptops, two desktops and a console. It all adds up.

When the SD PVR (a Topfield; we rather like its re-programmed recording abilities) goes kaput, it'll probably get replaced by something Youview-like, which'll certainly add to the demands.

Our needs change across the day, but I think we need a downstream of around 15-20Mbps, sometimes higher, and an upstream of at least 10Mbps.

In reply to a post by FordStanza:
If you can get a decent ADSL2+ connection, then why do people need or choose FTTx or whatever? Or are people choosing Fibre mainly because their alternative copper connection is dodgy?

The truth is that around 20% can get what I'd class as a decent ADSL2+ speeds - 15Mbps+ at 2km from the exchange.

But once a cabinet is converted to FTTC, that speed is probably available to 85% of the properties connected to it.

So the real gain is for the 65% who can't get decent ADSL2+ speeds but can get those speeds via FTTC.

And VDSL2, on the shorter line segment, generally seems to be more stable than ADSL2+ on the full line length. Less people seem to get issues.

But the real thing is yet to come... BT's full push at triple-play. IPTV, including HD.
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(deleted) Thu 27-Jun-13 22:02:19
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I actually admire the people above who said "because I can". Your desire to explore today's boundaries creates the mass market product of tomorrow.

Agreed.

A little bit of my justification to spend an extra £1pm (we had a legacy package that was quite pricey) was slightly more than "because I can", but close. Nearer "because if I do, it helps persuade BT to roll it out to more people".

Back in 2000, I was lucky to be on an exchange that was part of the early trials, so I jumped at the chance for a 2Mbps connection. It was free to trial, but the real price later wasn't so easy to swallow. But oh-so-worth doing.
Standard User therioman
(knowledge is power) Thu 27-Jun-13 23:06:26
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In my case:

a) Because I wanted to be able to upload faster. I upload music (legitimate, mixes I've created, music tracks I'm working on etc). I like using online backup services to make sure if my PC dies/burns/gets nicked I'm good.

b) Because I want to have a decent HD feed going for TV without slowing me down or causing break up when I also decide to do a big download.

c) Because on days like today, when I decide I want to download the new version of Windows Server 2012 to trial and get to grips with the changes, it's really nice having the ISO (again legit) arrive fast so I can get on, instead of hitting download and having to wait all night to get going.

d) A little bit of "because I can"

e) Because at £30 a month (thanks Sky) it's still considerably less than I used to pay for a 512k connection (thanks Zen) back in the day... so it's a no brainer cost wise. (and like WWombat, I remember the days of measuring connection in "bps" smile)
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 27-Jun-13 23:16:44
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"baud" even.

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Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 53.4/16.8Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

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Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Fri 28-Jun-13 06:09:12
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Nearer "because if I do, it helps persuade BT to roll it out to more people".


A very good point Wombat.

Standard User Andrue
(knowledge is power) Fri 28-Jun-13 08:53:39
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In reply to a post by therioman:
c) Because on days like today, when I decide I want to download the new version of Windows Server 2012 to trial and get to grips with the changes, it's really nice having the ISO (again legit) arrive fast so I can get on, instead of hitting download and having to wait all night to get going.
I have to admit that the fact I can download an ISO in less time than it takes to burn it to DVD is kind of cool smile

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