In reply to a post by mikejp:

I ask because the BTOR engineer said 9km was out of the question. None of the 'accepted' ADSL line length graphs I have seen (4) seem to agree with you. Would you like to include this in your "real data on lines that long"?

Published graphs are from calculations or line length attenuation simulators. Nobody can say 9km is out of the question credibly unless they define the wire diameter. Distance per se is not a constraint.

Yes, I understand that, but in the real world, how many 'remote' locations do you think will have anchor hawser D-side lines? Do you expect all these graphs were based on 'normal' D-Side lines or particularly 'skinny' ones? We know, of course, they specify 'good quality' D-side lines ie not Alu

I take it you have no comment on BT's estimates for the 9km line (up to 4.5mb')?

It is interesting (at last) that Counties appear to be 'waking up' from their pleasant dreams.
http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/suffolk_county_cou...

In reply to a post by mikejp:

It is interesting (at last) that Counties appear to be 'waking up' from their pleasant dreams.
http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/suffolk_county_cou...

Typical politician hot air. He acknowledges that BT "are a commercial company, they are not a charity" and yet expects them to do things which may not be economically viable.

BT are charging us for their visit
No, you are not in contract with BT. Your ISP might be trying to pass on BTOR's charges to them, but they shouldn't be.

A good point, well made XRay.

Ignoring the gauge of the pair. ADSL becomes dubious above 70db attenuation.
I wonder if the OP might be better served by vanilla ADSL rather than 2+ ?

Certainly I understand the losses with ADSL2+ over long lines are far greater than with ADSL2.

I think the important thing here is that the realisation of the King's New Clothes is slowly entering the public domain?

In reply to a post by mikejp:

I think the important thing here is that the realisation of the King's New Clothes is slowly entering the public domain?

I think you mean The Emperor's New Clothes, and I don't see the connection. Loads of people have access to FTTC now, BT never promised 100% coverage.

As a Royalist I'll stick with King, thanks, and it was good enough for Hans C A..

No, but we are not even talking about 100% are we - I don't think any County has 'promised' that. The question is can BT even achieve what Joe Public is expecting - which takes us back to your 'political hot air'.