In reply to a post by knighton:

So would I, BUT if the area was already economically unviable in the first place, its likely to be because of distance or the thinly spread population anyway. What would happen if say only 50% of the local households committed?

Gigaclear require and have achieved a 30% take up in areas deemed uneconomic by BT.

If BT were to put fibre in such areas they would likely achieve a higher take up rate.

Quite simply they have not got a solution. I am a bit surprised that someone like the Country landowners Association are not threatening a judicial review of the contracts, since BT appear to have been awarded them without the capability of fullfilling them.

So no solutions at all? Full stop? Really?

Lots of technical solutions available just the cost per premise is the stumbling block

But then by not rolling out every where there is a hole in the market that can be exploited.

Not covering all premises with superfast under the bduk contracts should be of zero surprise given original targets mentioned once size of public pot was known.

"Distance to exchange is irrelevant, it is distance to the cabinet" - how do you come up with that for an ADSL solution, Andrew?

No solutions that they are prepared to commit to publicly - they seem to be hoping that the boffins come up with something they can afford before the contract ends - unless you know differently

Knighton

There are some solutions that will be available but they are unlikely to be rolled out untill everything else is nearly completed. Then when all the not spots are clearly known these will come into play. Until then no-one is quite sure who will not get 2Mb (15Mb/24Mb) due to all the variables in the access networks.

Possibles are Fixed LTE for small clusters or houses spread over small areas.
Satellite for individual houses away from anyone else.
White space radio for widely spread houses with line of sight to a mast.

FTTP with 'self dig' support for 40-60 houses in a small area.

Because the majority of the speed upgrades via the BDUK process are cabinet based

So the use of FTTP to server clusters of properties on long lines in Cornwall, or the insertion of new cabinets both at the exchange and remote locations are still in the labs?

I think not.

BET and other broadband amplifier options have existed for years, so very little of the problem is technical, but rather financial. This is all stuff the boffins have worked on in the last decade and paraded around trade shows, bt demos etc

Andrew

I think you are being simplistic. We all know solutions exist. The question is what solutions are BT going to deploy for the last 10%?