In reply to a post by Oliver341:

I can only see this being done with a live-checking API to the ISPs, and that would work just as well with dynamic IPs as static ones assuming the ISPs systems are up to scratch (which they should be, to make sure p2p lawsuits go to the right person).

That could work� but I can't see the ISPs providing an API into their systems to obtain information which (afaik) currently requires a court order

In reply to a post by billford:

That could work� but I can't see the ISPs providing an API into their systems to obtain information which (afaik) currently requires a court order

Yup, static or dynamic it's a non-starter, without a change in the law.

I ALREADY HAD - Notice I said it was probably the outlay of the site. That is what I love about Fora - Everyone spends more time ridiculing others than actually helping - Lots of sad lives.

In reply to a post by professor973:

I ALREADY HAD - Notice I said it was probably the outlay of the site.

Then why say that I'd replied to you instead of Oliver341? Even without the link, the included quote makes it clear who was the intended recipient�

That is what I love about Fora - Everyone spends more time ridiculing others than actually helping

A few people do seem to find it confusing

And an IP address means nothing ,it isn't conclusive evidence that the account holder watched the content ,
So if tested in a court it would fail, as it would be heard in the magistrates court so the burden of proof would differ to what is deemed as acceptable in the civil courts ,

not only this but a judge in the usa recently dismissed a case of copyright infringement as he decided quite correctly imo that an IP address isn's sufficient to identify the person /offender

So all this talk about prosecution via IP address is non sense, The BBC will have to encrypt the online content so it can't be casually viewed, but it won't stop the flow of content available via lots of other means

Edited by tommy45 (Fri 24-Jan-14 14:02:53)

In reply to a post by tommy45:

And an IP address means nothing ,it isn't conclusive evidence that the account holder watched the content

I wonder if it makes any diff that, unlike copyright infringement where an offending individual needs to be identified, it is a household, or 'The Occupier', that needs a TV licence to watch live TV. An IP addy is sufficient to identify an address.

how do the bbc know these people are only using iplayer to avoid tax?

I am paying the licence fee, and I havent watched the bbc live on anything but iplayer probably for about 4 years.

This number of people only using iplayer will grow as its the future to watch 'on demand' not 'on schedule'.

I agree the tv licence is outdated but not because it loses people who dont use 'on schedule' but because its an outdated way to fund tv programming.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

I agree the tv licence is outdated but not because it loses people who dont use 'on schedule' but because its an outdated way to fund tv programming.

Can you suggest a way that will allow me to watch a programme without it being interrupted every 10 minutes with mind-numbing junk that is repeated every 10 or 20 minutes? And a way that will cost me the same?

The BBC provides BBC1, BBC2, Radio 1,2,3,4,5 and large numbers of local stations plus the BBC3, BBC4, Alba on TV from the £165/pa licence fee. Compare that to the revenues of the main 3 independent channels and local radio and it soon becomes obvious that the BBC is extremely good value for money.

You need to consider the only reason the licence is priced as it is, is the fact you are been subsidised by many people who wouldnt be paying if they had a choice.

The fact is I only watch the bbc probably for the football league show, I occasionaly use the news site and thats it. So value for money will be different for each individual, getting umpteen radio stations doesnt mean much if I dont use them. I think I have watched a few dramas on iplayer every now and then maybe.

Most uk dramas I watch are produced by sky or channel4, but most shows I watch are american based.

So you are saying all BBC radio and television output should be on a pay-to-consume system?