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Standard User Oliver341
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 01-Feb-14 13:57:29
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Re: Using VPNs to avoid censorship blocks


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Thanks for a useful reply smile.

Which basically re-iterated many of the points already made, but you chose to discard.

Oliver.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sat 01-Feb-14 15:07:56
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Re: Using VPNs to avoid censorship blocks


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smile
It just seemed easier to follow somehow. Perhaps repetition if that's the case. I'm starting from very little knowledge of VPN, as you can tell - rather like legislators would tongue . I still don't know what TOR is at all, a quick acronym-google didn't help.

It just seems odd to me that with all the technology VPNs are apparently as impervious to blocking as is being said. I have chewing about it to do, with what has been said here.

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Standard User tommy45
(knowledge is power) Sat 01-Feb-14 15:37:41
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Re: Using VPNs to avoid censorship blocks


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Hyperthetically speaking such as system if ever it became fact, the internet industry would suffer, Who i their right mind would want a governments white list for a internet connection, or pay for such, ? I for one would not
So less people that use the the governments walled garden could only mean one thing for the rest , big price increases
Or by the time such draconian measures got introduced someone had devised alternative meathods to circumvent the firewall's that couldn't be licenced or blocked by a comunist style government


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Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Sun 02-Feb-14 00:52:39
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Re: Using VPNs to avoid censorship blocks


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the original purpose of VPNs was for private LANs indeed thats how many are used, but obviously people eventually realised it was useable to provide a remote gateway to the internet and as such that got popular.

The thing is what you said isnt workable, even if they wanted to do it, it cant be policed.

Funny enough today I finished setting up my own private VPN for netflix on my consoles.

After I figure out a way to automate a selective push mechanism (so the vpn only routes netflix not all traffic.) I will be rolling this out to some of my family member's as well on their routers.

Edited by Chrysalis (Sun 02-Feb-14 00:54:34)

Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 02-Feb-14 01:29:02
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Some folk were discussing that here http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=161397
Depends on your router though wink
Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Sun 02-Feb-14 18:50:36
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yes, those ip ranges are not enough tho.

I am now using another list I found which does work. The list quite possibly catches a few things in the net that are not netflix but does work for its job.

Its only the auth server that needs an american ip, not the streaming server.

Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 02-Feb-14 18:58:14
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Re: Using VPNs to avoid censorship blocks


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I still don't know what TOR is at all, a quick acronym-google didn't help.

https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en
In reply to a post by RobertoS:
It just seems odd to me that with all the technology VPNs are apparently as impervious to blocking as is being said. I have chewing about it to do, with what has been said here.
Why would anyone want to block VPNs?

You seem to be majoring on VPN use being mainly to pilfer copyright stuff by getting around site blocks, but as others have mentioned that is just one use for a VPN.

Also you would have serious issues trying to block them anyway, as most VPN providers aren't even based in the UK.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 02-Feb-14 19:04:39
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So you are saying it is impossible, or just fairly complex?
As some others have mentioned, technically it is possible, if you want to live in a country like North Korea. Practically in any democracy it is impossible, because everyone from large corporations downwards would be somewhat annoyed.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sun 02-Feb-14 19:07:06
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Thanks Jon smile. I now know what TOR is.

Re the VPN blocking, which I'm almost convinced is a non-starter, unless I'm missing something to get to the foreign VPN you still have to go through your ISP who I believe would know that was where the traffic was going. So it could be blocked.

Earlier posts have shown that even if that were the case, blocking would be far from simple.

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 02-Feb-14 19:15:41
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Thanks Jon smile. I now know what TOR is.

Re the VPN blocking, which I'm almost convinced is a non-starter, unless I'm missing something to get to the foreign VPN you still have to go through your ISP who I believe would know that was where the traffic was going. So it could be blocked.
So then you can just go Proxy/TOR----->VPN----->Internet. That way your ISP can only see you connecting to TOR or a proxy. What will your ISP block then?
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