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Standard User Seansmit17
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 10-Mar-14 16:37:39
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Re: Failed fibre installation - 80A RF2 filter found


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Connection Speed 24272 Kbps 1019 Kbps
Line Attenuation 14.5 dB 5.5 dB
Noise Margin 0.3 dB 11.8 dB
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(deleted) Wed 12-Mar-14 10:09:04
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Re: Failed fibre installation - 80A RF2 filter found


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Mark

Thinking about it, suggest you need a monitoring program which looks at ADSL channels, not just total information rate, .like DSL Stats
If as I suspect the RF2 is cutting off above 300-500 kHz then if it was replaced by a device cutting 850 - 1300 kHz this would improve ADSL1 let alone 2 or VDSL. Getting anything changed for an unusual situation will be a lot of work, so good idea to be sure of the facts.
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(deleted) Wed 12-Mar-14 17:23:08
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Latest info today (Wednesday) from Utility Warehouse is that Openreach are working on fixing the cabling fault in the cabinet and will update in 1 or 2 days. Mind you they said that on Monday too. I can't get a straight answer out of UW as to whether Openreach know or care about the RF2.

My worry is that Openreach are wasting their time.

Thanks for everyone's input so far.
Mark.


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(deleted) Wed 12-Mar-14 17:50:24
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Re: Failed fibre installation - 80A RF2 filter found


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Not unheard of for there to be Port/ wiring faults In the cabinets.
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(deleted) Tue 18-Mar-14 04:28:01
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Had an unannounced visit from Openreach yesterday and the engineer knew nothing about the RF2 filter so that message hadn't got through from my ISP. He hadn't found anything wrong outside the house and agreed with me that the RF2 was the cause of my problems. He very kindly removed it and reckoned other people in the area hadn't suffered any problems after having theirs removed. I now have the following stats (previous figures in brackets).

Uptime: 0 days, 12:47:56 (0 days, 3:14:18)
Modulation: G.992.5 Annex A (G.992.3 Annex A)
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 1,020 / 8,189 (793 /3,048)
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [KB/KB]: 0.00 / 0.00 (0.00 / 0.00)
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 12.5 / 0.0 (12.5 / 0.0)
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 14.0 / 28.5 (28.5 / 54.0)
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 10.0 / 6.5 (7.0 / 6.5)
Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / µ (TMMB / µ)
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 24 / 0 (16 / 0)
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 6 / 0 (4 / 0)
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0 (0 / 0)
Loss of Link (Remote): 0
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 4,075 / 0 (36 / 0)
FEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 18,386 (13 / 40,714)
CRC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 7 (1 / 28)
HEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 7 (1 / 20)

The TBB speed test is giving us just under 7Mbps.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/button/13951...

Do those stats look OK because at the moment I'm more than happy with my connection speed. We can stream iPlayer in HD which is about as heavy as usage will get in our household. We don't download huge amounts of stuff or have lots of simultaneous users so I'm going to cancel the fibre upgrade completely.
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(deleted) Tue 18-Mar-14 07:43:53
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That is good news !
It seems you got an "Engineer" - "an ingenious solver of problems" not a time server. Your attitude to speed is like mine- if it does what we want that is OK - don't pay for what you don't need.

I wonder if the RF2 is a relic of open wire overhead wires now replaced with underground ?
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Tue 18-Mar-14 08:54:03
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Excellent stats.

However, you are on an LLU service capped at 8Mbps. I haven't got access to an attenuation/speed graph at the moment, but gut feel is it would be about double that if uncapped.

That might be more expensive from UW and unnecessary for you at the moment if it is. The potential is there smile.

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(deleted) Tue 18-Mar-14 10:40:46
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Thanks for the replies guys.

I've found out there did indeed used to be overhead BT cables to the house but not in the six years we've been here. The OR engineer mentioned we were on an underground feed all the way.

He also said the line was able to run even faster - 10Mbps I think - but 6.9 will do us fine.

It's great to have forums like this with experts on hand to sanity check theories and give the uneducated end-user some confidence in dealing with ISPs etc.

Cheers,
Mark.
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