In reply to a post by RobertoS:

But OR's point is there would never be a return of the investment of an FTTC cabinet, so they won't do it. Five lines max?

BT has deemed lots of exchanges and cabinets as not economically viable for upgrade, hence the council and BDUK funding to plug the gaps.

There is deeming, and then there is a five-line cabinet 3km from the exchange, with at least one of those lines going 4km from the cabinet to the premises.

The only way that is getting anything is if it gets a housing estate gets sited close to it .

why is that?

I am not arguing the lack of a business case but more about the technical capabilities, even in heavy city areas we not going to see adsl moved to cabinets. So the power cutback is always going to exist for the forseeable future.

In reply to a post by Oliver341:

BT has deemed lots of exchanges and cabinets as not economically viable for upgrade, hence the council and BDUK funding to plug the gaps.

Rest assured there are still lots of cabinets which are being excluded and in effect abandoned by BT/BDUK and not upgraded; so that's still lots of gaps.

...and we not talking about ones with 5 lines on them either.

Like mine with 200 odd subscribers on it. (I'm 7 miles from a city centre not half way up a mountain either)
Like the village I know elsewhere in the home counties of 100 residents where the exchange is 4+ miles away and the cabinet is 2 miles away on a main road. They get 0.5Mbps at the moment and all look forward with interest how exactly they are going to get the 2Mbps by 2017 they are promised.

I've seen cabinets upgraded in North Yorkshire, as part of BDUK, with only 40, 50, 60 properties attached. And ones as high as 400 & 500.

The FTTRN trial in NY will apparently have 20 properties attached.

In reply to a post by MHC:

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Does BT even own the buildings? Thought many were just on long term leases.

They DID ... however back in around 2001 they sold and leased back a large number of buildings for around £2.5bn. There are complex parts to the agreement to allow BT to reacquire the buildings at certain times and the new "owners" cannot sell without BT agreement.

This is all out of date now. Monterey owned the buildings up until about a year and a half ago. BT then bought Monterey and renamed it BT Facilities Services (BTFS).

Therefore, BT do indeed own all of their exchanges again.

...and how long will IPSs which don't offer fibre last, particularly as the rollout of fibre continues across BT's exchanges? One of the services I manage used to be on a Demon ADSL connection but when fibre came along they couldn't offer fibre and still don't.

Nobody has posted on the Demon forum here for over a year.

Isn't Demon C & W? Aka Vodafone.

It is indeed.