Well this has become a bit of a busy thread... anyway onwards to my reply...

In reply to a post by Andrue:

Meh. Very few people need it so it seems a reasonable solution to me.

Because they provide a service and by the standards of the industry they are doing a reasonable job which is all they are required to do. If you think you can roll-out FTTC (or indeed any other communications technology) across the UK and get it right for everyone first time then set up your own company and go into business.

Anyway upstream G.INP really isn't worth crying about. I think it's far better they concentrate their R&D efforts on the next gen upgrades than tweak a pretty minor feature of the current system.

The fact as already pointed out is that a lot of people where finding improvements with the G.INP implementation on the Huawei cabinets and yes it has improved mine and other users upstream... many users who have had their upstream interleaved due to line condition issues or noise see a lesser throughput than someone with fast path or a G.INP enabled line... G.INP also reduce's errors on the line in both directions...

But to be fair to Openreach, they can get away with these shoddy practice's because they have people like yourself who will excuse their "substandard" procedures...

PS. If I was to roll out a Superfast / Next Generation Broadband Infrastructure across the UK I would do it correctly the first time.... because I would do it properly.... not quick and on the cheap... and I wouldn't have different equipment in different area's and if mine did I would certainly have a system in place to prevent the use of incompatible equipment or even the activation of the wrong equipment upon a service installation!

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:

PS. If I was to roll out a Superfast / Next Generation Broadband Infrastructure across the UK I would do it correctly the first time.... because I would do it properly.... not quick and on the cheap

And where would you get the money for that? If I remember correctly the estimates to provide FTTP to the entire UK were around £30 billion ten years ago. But yes, your strategy would not be quick. Instead of 90% having a significant improvement by 2013 only a small handful would have had an improvement by now. Most of the country would still be stuck on ADSL with little likelihood of anything better this decade.

There's a reason why BT went the route they did. It was all that they could afford to do and the only way to get significant improvements out in a half-way reasonable timescale. BT have to operate in the real world whereas you obviously don't.

There is also going to be a good reason why BT are adopting the solution they have with respect to G.INP. Yes, it's a kludge. It's not ideal. But as a (software) engineer with over 30 years experience I can tell you that waiting for the perfect solution means never getting the job done. In the commercial world you often have to accept 'good enough'. G.INP matters quite a lot for quite a lot of lines in the downstream. It matters not a greal deal to only a few lines in the upstream.

Edited by Andrue (Sun 07-Jun-15 09:22:27)

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

I have plenty of experience of capped upstream speeds following ham fisted installers visiting my cabinet, so don't try and tell me it doesn't happen. G.INP managed to fix that for a brief couple of months.

We're not saying it doesn't happen but one person getting into a hissy fit over a dodgy install really isn't very significant. Not even if it's you (sorry - this is that pesky real world again that I mentioned in my other response).

If you think there's a fault with your line then get an engineer out.

There are many reasons for not getting an engineer out, including:

BT don't guarantee upstream speeds
BT will find the line speeds are within spec
BT will charge £130
BT will tell me to reboot the router several times
BT will tell me to change the wireless channel
BT will say the problem is due to the number of devices connected

Whereas G.INP just fixes it automatically.

I have to wonder who the "we" are

So make the complaint official, and eBay does take action when stolen goods are listed

What would that achieve?

Well might make you happier, and stop the sellers who are selling stolen goods as you allege

I want G.INP back on the upstream, which has been turned off due to problems with ECI modems and HH5A's that have been supplied to customers on Huawei cabinets.

Complaining to Ebay and/or BT Security appears to be rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. What's the point?

Stops others getting the poor installs you complained about

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Stops others getting the poor installs you complained about

I don't think it would. All it would do is stop people buying a Huawei HG612 and so stop them fixing their connection themselves.

What we need is G.INP turned on for everyone whose equipment supports it on the upstream.