It's strange how they added the line about jumpers fairly recently. Almost as if it has become suddenly relevant, but it hasn't!

Agreed about it being hard to describe!

But finding ways to do so, keeps the brain active; and should also lead to greater personal understanding for everyone involved - myself included.

It's strange how they added the line about jumpers fairly recently. Almost as if it has become suddenly relevant, but it hasn't!

It's a public service they provide, gives the saddo's summat (else) to fret over.

Oi!

In reply to a post by eckiedoo:

Prior to now, my impression was that it was relatively rare, particularly considering the low over-all upgrade to VDSL, the last BT report back in June 2015 gave a figure of 19% following on from 13% about November 2014.

You have to remember that some areas have had FTTC for 6 years now - and uptake levels in those areas are likely to be much higher than in more recently enabled ones such as yours.

BT's recent results (this week) gave a figure of 5 million FTTC/P installs with 24 million premises passed - or an average of 21%

Agreed that one would expect earlier FTTCs to have a higher level of utilisation - but just look at the latest figure you quote an, average of 21 % over 6 years, say 3.5% per year, so about 30 years to get 100%, total, less the 6 years gone, so about 24 years to reach something like the 100% goal, for 24 million "passed" premises.

Or to view it another way, 13% in about November 2014 to 21% in October 2015, so 8% in 11 months.

Say 0.7% per month, or 8.4% per year, with 79% left to upgrade, so about 9 years to get 100%

Either way, it looks a very slow rate of upgrade, considering the investment being made even today.

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Also given the widespread advertising and "hype" about broadband, I. would have expected that more recently installed FTTCs would have been relatively "flooded" with applications for upgrades, "to catch up with theJoneses".

I assume you have seen the various inquiries on TBB asking "When am I going to get Broadband?"; but it seems that actual individual upgrades when FTTCs become available are relatively few.

I was speaking to a near-neighbour about 3 months back.

He said he and his wife were not interested in upgrading; but because of visiting family, he had decided to do so. Otherwise, he felt that ADSL was more than fast enough for his uses and his wife's - they had no complaints about the ADSL service - don't know ISP.

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Again it is about 5 weeks since I have seen any work being carried out at the PCP.

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The area covered by our FTTC & PCP is relatively affluent; and certainly not poor.

I also check other parts of the country that I am acquainted with, on the TBB Broadband Map (Top-Left) and the speed results on there seem to accord with the low level of upgrade, even in unexpected areas.

A friend in Milton Keynes with the academics of the OU etc, within that town, can not get broadband and is running with ADSL around 2.5 Mbps - and he like myself worked in senior technical positions in the electronics and aerospace industries.

Another aspect I had overlooked.

TBB's Broadband Map (Link at top-left) progressively omits data more than some months old, say 4 months for simplicity.

So all the Tests plotted on that Map are relatively (very) RECENT, to possibly within the LAST WEEK, so certainly not ancient history.

Try assessing those that are likely to be ADSL rather than VDSL, based on the Speed Ranges that they fall in to.

In reply to a post by eckiedoo:

Agreed that one would expect earlier FTTCs to have a higher level of utilisation - but just look at the latest figure you quote an, average of 21 % over 6 years, say 3.5% per year, so about 30 years to get 100%, total, less the 6 years gone, so about 24 years to reach something like the 100% goal, for 24 million "passed" premises.

Or to view it another way, 13% in about November 2014 to 21% in October 2015, so 8% in 11 months.

With respect,you are looking at it the wrong way - its now 21% of a bigger footprint than 13% of a smaller figure a year ago - as availability continues to increase so uptake is higher than you suggest - and remember its customer driven (some will not want fibre - some don't even have internet/computers at home) + this all excludes customers who use Virgin Media (or wireless instead)

Hence, you will have areas where switches between adsl/fttc are common - especially those with a high percentage of students or other tenants.

Also given the widespread advertising and "hype" about broadband, I. would have expected that more recently installed FTTCs would have been relatively "flooded" with applications for upgrades, "to catch up with theJoneses".

ispreview.co.uk has information which shows the uptake of the BDUK areas over time which you can see here, here and here

Uptake tends to start quite slowly and increase as people see/learn about FTTC from immediate neighbours/friends (and ISPs start marketing in those areas) - not everyone is as keen as you may imagine - the demographic of this site are not typical users.

I assume you have seen the various inquiries on TBB asking "When am I going to get Broadband?"; but it seems that actual individual upgrades when FTTCs become available are relatively few.

Yes, consumers in the UK seem to be very price sensitive - this is not BT's fault and the low prices to an extent deter further investment into faster products.

A friend in Milton Keynes with the academics of the OU etc, within that town, can not get broadband and is running with ADSL around 2.5 Mbps - and he like myself worked in senior technical positions in the electronics and aerospace industries.

From the ADSL rollout,I recall Milton Keynes has its own unique issues over where the existing exchanges where when the city was built + the fact that it had a BT cable system which was sold to Virgin. One of the reasons it has been used by Openreach to test the deployment of newer technologies and also has some FTTP..

Edited by gt94sss2 (Sun 01-Nov-15 15:57:34)