In reply to a post by professor973:

Then check out the seventh engineer that turned up without a clue

Are you so sure that it is yourself that doesn't have a clue given your apparent never ending problems?

If I did't have a clue, since when is it my job to fix the phone line cleverdick? - As at happens, the control panels I built, programmed, tested and certified were running live 3 phase, so don't think phone circuits would be a problem. Either way, I am sure I have as much hands on experience of wiring as you.

Edited by professor973 (Mon 25-Jan-16 00:56:32)

"Wiring" and trying to get broadband to reliably work over a several mile long twisted pair are two different things.

Sounds like you're not a domestic electrician yourself but you should see the shambles that some electricians make of in-home telecoms wiring.

It is only you saying the line is bad, it could equally well be your equipment since you seem to be always complaining regardless of the location.

In reply to a post by MCM:

It is only you saying the line is bad, it could equally well be your equipment since you seem to be always complaining regardless of the location.

WRONG cleverdick ! I have NO extension wiring. Errors on my line are those claimed by my ISP and result in an interleave depth of 64! Earth fault diagnosed by Openreach engineers equipment - Waiting for pavement dig and walkway chamber for over five months. SO - Why does everything I post in this hell hole get instantly disputed, along with the usual insults I have come to expect here ?

Edited by professor973 (Mon 25-Jan-16 16:20:29)

SO - Why does everything I post in this hell hole get instantly disputed

I suspect because you start most conversations in threads with things like this:

I can tell you from experience at both our locations, 8 out of 10 Openreach engineers are total morons without a clue.

Saying 8 out of 10 of anything are total morons is highly provocative. You have very limited experience of OR engineers to base that on and whilst you may possibly have had some bad engineers your experience is not statistically valid. Perhaps if you toned your attacks down people wouldn't respond in kind?

8 out of 10 is simply the ratio of bad engineers I have seen with my own eyes. It is strange though, that there is another thread on this very site, where OR engineers say exactly the same - Engineers sacked for taking too long to actually fix a fault, along with many of the best leaving of their own accord. This does not even take into account the quality of sub contractors OR are now forced to rely on. But I am quite used to the personal attacks I receive here instead of discussion and don't expect facts and home truths to get in the way of it, so I simply respond as folks deserve.
Feel free to call this guy an idiot!
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/t/4460498-re-...

Edited by professor973 (Mon 25-Jan-16 17:06:42)

"Engineers sacked for taking too long to actually fix a fault"

The point being its good engineers who stick with a hard / long job and sort it out and then get disciplined for it ! As a end user is it not better to get a guy who sticks with it rather then a guy who kicks the job into the long grass as soon as its looks to hard / long ? THATS why some jobes go on for ever because as soon as some guys see its not going to be a quick clear they hoof it.

Totally agree. But the eighth engineer on the trot in two weeks for a severe voice line noise fault I had two months back, was the first with the savvy to check a joint 4 feet up last pole. It was a real mess of mastic and tape. He spent the whole afternoon in the pouring rain fixing it - A hero compared to the other 7, but said he would be disciplined over the time taken. That is the reality of OR.

Edited by professor973 (Mon 25-Jan-16 17:21:49)

In reply to a post by professor973:

8 out of 10 is simply the ratio of bad engineers I have seen with my own eyes. It is strange though, that there is another thread on this very site, where OR engineers say exactly the same - Engineers sacked for taking too long to actually fix a fault, along with many of the best leaving of their own accord. This does not even take into account the quality of sub contractors OR are now forced to rely on. But I am quite used to the personal attacks I receive here instead of discussion and don't expect facts and home truths to get in the way of it, so I simply respond as folks deserve.
Feel free to call this guy an idiot!
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/t/4460498-re-...

You worded it to say 8 out of 10 OR engineers are useless.

Sub contractors only do installs, and there aren't many sub contractors left. At least not here anyway.

In reply to a post by MC31:

"Engineers sacked for taking too long to actually fix a fault"

The point being its good engineers who stick with a hard / long job and sort it out and then get disciplined for it ! As a end user is it not better to get a guy who sticks with it rather then a guy who kicks the job into the long grass as soon as its looks to hard / long ? THATS why some jobes go on for ever because as soon as some guys see its not going to be a quick clear they hoof it.

You word it like they'd get sacked for taking too long on one job! That's just not the case at all, of course. If they were taking significantly longer on most of their jobs than their colleagues then their performance would be looked at though yes.

Edited by deleted (Mon 25-Jan-16 17:24:38)