I apologise if this has been discussed previously, however, I am still very skeptical about statistics telling us how wonderful the BB service is.

To be clear, I am not complaining about the BB service I currently receive, which is entirely adequate for my personal needs.

My point is that in this locality, where some people have difficulty in maintaining a telephone service let alone any type of BB, it does appear that the claim is being made that just because the cabinet has been connected to the exchange with fibre, everybody connected to that cabinet, whether FTTC or not, is rated as superfast, regardless of the true situation.

The area is sparsely populated and there does not appear to be any congestion at the cabinet. Those who wish to be connected FTTC can do so but that does not remove the fact that the conductors leaving the cabinet to the homes are very old and very substandard.

The message in Herefordshire does appear to be that what you have now is what you will have in the future! Yet we are being given statistics suggesting satisfaction by all.

Are we being conned by the political/commercial organisation?

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

And I believe I've asked for details of the location so that I can manually review it before

There are some locations where the model does not work well, but by and large this is not the case. Saying an exchange is not enough, need to know a postcode to look at.

If people feed back into the model then it will become better.

I did TBB thread here: http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/4439980-anoth...

But what I'm saying is that after checking all the FTTC lines I have contact with (not just my neighbours) the real life connection speeds don't reflect the stats. Most of the lines I see are rural which may explain that - but it still makes me think the stats on 'superfast' whether it be 24+ or 30+ are questionable...

In reply to a post by GKLeyshill:

I apologise if this has been discussed previously, however, I am still very skeptical about statistics telling us how wonderful the BB service is.

As you're talking of stats, where are your stats in support of this claim?

In reply to a post by GKLeyshill:

The service provided is described as superfast up to 38Mbps. In fact it is about 18 Mbps and getting slower.

I think we may becoming lost in semantics.

The statistics I refer to are those claiming regional availability for superfast BB, not individual router stats.

Herefordshire is a different kettle of fish compared to Glasgow, and is well behind the national curve

https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/index.php?area...
Only 61.4% Superfast Coverage

So who if anyone is saying Herefordshire is at the 90% mark? Sparsely populated areas are much more obvious in our stats where 8.6% are in theory on a VDSL2 cabinet and not getting a superfast option.

Happy to brief whoever in power is claiming satisfaction for all, just the same as happy to brief those using very old data when the picture has changed in an area.

One reason the council may being upbeat is because back in 2012 no one had a superfast option, so things are improving but as with any infrastructure roll-out it takes time.

In reply to a post by GKLeyshill:

I think we may becoming lost in semantics.

The statistics I refer to are those claiming regional availability for superfast BB, not individual router stats.

But you claim certain speeds for your line, yet you provide no proof. The reason for your speeds may be something you can fix.

And impossible to find a PM from 5 months ago, need the postcode again, May not have looked back then.

The comments about 30 dropping to 20 suggest you are in that fuzzy borderline, and if this looks to be a uniform issue then can misplace the cabinet to compensate, i.e. as done for one or two others where people have had Al line issues.

With 95,000 cabinets and 1.7 million postcodes it is a big data set to play.

If the poster can use https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/index.php?tab=3 they will get the county level and constituency level results and our estimate for their postcode. If vastly different to their experience on the postcode level them Private Message the postcode.

it depends if you were covered by the commercial programme or the BDUk programme as there was n o >24 m/bps in the commercial programme

The majority of the FTTC Cabinets are under-utilised, if you accept the OR figure of about 30% actual upgrades, no matter the actual speed achieved.

Given the 90% of premises within the total of Broadband areas, that shows that only 27% have achieved an actual upgrade, whether the speed is less or more than 24 Mbps.

"My" local FTTC has a capacity of 288 lines; and has been available since March 2014, say 23 months.

About 2 weeks back, the 63rd upgrade was installed, out of 96 back-plane sockets fitted with the essential Filter-Links.; and possibly a 64th last week.

About 3 upgrades per month.

So it appears that about 70% of those who could upgrade, have no great interest in doing so; with ADSL being sufficient for their requirements; or Dial-up; or are not concerned to have access to the Internet.

The associated PCP appears to be "full" with PSTN lines; and using Postcode information, may have between 250 and 300 lines.

The houses on this estate were fully wired underground for PSTN when built in 1967; and judging by the lack of poles, so are all of the subsequent builds in this area.