In reply to a post by kebabselector:

Although you're not allowed to touch the existing cabling - would BTO know if magically the gutted BT80 was
removed and the NTE5 put in it's place?

BTO never questioned any of the dodgy looking solutions my house had (BT30 incoming line going to a small BT master socket) when he fitted my ADSL faceplate.

Well the Gutted BT80 box is the first box the line goes into, so I would have to remove that and replace that with either a new one or move the BT80 on the skirting board which I assume still has all the bits inside it, that might also be gutted, either way that one on the skirting board would be replaced with the NTE5A Master Socket.

As for BT knowing if it was touched i.e. cleaned up neat and tidy, they probably wouldn't if I used the correct cables i.e. CW1308, well if nobody said anything on here LOL.

If removing that extra cable wouldn't make that much difference then it might not be worth it, I might even see what happens with our FTTP upgrade that BT has put on hold due to the bad weather we have been having, those are the exact words BT told my MP.
This might be true, there are 12K lines that are still due for FTTP on our exchange so I imagine that would take a while especially if it bucketing down when they are trying to join two lots of 288 strand fibre spine cable along with what ever needs to be done for all those lines.
And if its soon I might ask for them to resolve that issue due to they will be changing the master socket anyway.

Paul

In reply to a post by ukhardy07:

If all sockets are disabled when you remove the faceplate on the NTE5 (as you say), then the backwiring and setup is fine.

I do not personally see any issues with the setup. In fact it sounds as if it has been done well. Gaining a few metres of cable is not going to have a big impact if everything is being filtered by the NTE5.

Having gel crimps does not mean the speed / line will change significantly. In practice I've never seen any difference adding them into the mix.

My line has 2 sets of gel crimps before we hit the master socket, due to modifications overtime and line issues etc.

EDIT: BT would not see any issues with the setup either, given the faceplate is filtering correctly. Backwiring is a common practice in these situations.

To answer the question, would this increase your speed? Not enough to do it / probably not at all.

This is what I thought, no harm asking, I will probably leave that alone and just move our HH from the middle of the house upstairs to the where the Master socket is and then just wait for our FTTP to be finally completed.

Paul

OK, let's get technical here ..... 'BT' stopped using the 'guts' inside a BT80 maybe 10 years ago .... the little printed circuit boards were somewhat prone to damp, especially as they often sat on a window sill. Replacing gel crimps with a stripped wire and screw terminal is never going to make such an efficient joint.

there are 12K lines that are still due for FTTP on our exchange

Really ? Every man jack of them has ordered and is awaiting an FTTP connection ?

And if its soon I might ask for them to resolve that issue due to they will be changing the master socket anyway.

Why will they change the NTE ? (Unless you mean relocate as you mentioned a while back.)

Edited by Zarjaz (Thu 05-May-16 16:48:46)

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

OK, let's get technical here ..... 'BT' stopped using the 'guts' inside a BT80 maybe 10 years ago .... the little printed circuit boards were somewhat prone to damp, especially as they often sat on a window sill. Replacing gel crimps with a stripped wire and screw terminal is never going to make such an efficient joint.

Ok, well in a way the GEL Crimps are basically like the IDC connector with Gel to water proof it and protect it from the elements.
So yeah fiar point there.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

there are 12K lines that are still due for FTTP on our exchange

Really ? Every man jack of them has ordered and is awaiting an FTTP connection ?

Nooo, these are areas on my exchange that caters for 12K lines that are still down as the Commercial FTTP Project that got put on hold for the engineers to do all the BDUK work.
Like with us we have all the hardware already in place in the chamber and up the pole same with most of the areas of the 12K lines, they just need to be finished off, which I have been told by BT many times now that their engineers are doing these now and would take a little while to do, also Fibre Enquiries, Openreach confirmed this too.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

And if its soon I might ask for them to resolve that issue due to they will be changing the master socket anyway.

Why will they change the NTE ? (Unless you mean relocate as you mentioned a while back.)

The faceplate I was refering to gets changed, Commercial FTTP gets FVA that requires a new faceplate that has the Fibre/Copper switch.

But yeah, it would also be nice if the engineer could relocate it all into a more easyier to access location, I think I said a while back I would of liked it in our front room upstairs that the cable goes past, our other line goes into that room so it would be nice if it was all in the same room right by a power socket.
But I would probably be unlucky and get Kellys and have them say no and place it where they want to install it.

But I will have to wait and see.

Paul

Edited by PaulKirby (Thu 05-May-16 18:00:07)

But I would probably be unlucky and get Kellys and have them say no and place it where they want to install it.

Contractors don't do those kind of installs.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

But I would probably be unlucky and get Kellys and have them say no and place it where they want to install it.

Contractors don't do those kind of installs.

Well that's a sign of relief

Just didn't want to be told where its going to be placed and not even bothering to ask us where we would like it.

I have no issues if its not suitable or possible or even safe to install it in a place and they tell me this, its when they say its going here to cut back on time and work, hell like I said in that other post, I wouldn't even mind helping them (within reason) if it cuts down their time and make it more easier for them to complete the install.

I would just hate for it to be stuck on the wall standing out like a sore thumb.

Paul

You are not using the master socket? Yes, do use that.

In reply to a post by ukhardy07:

You are not using the master socket? Yes, do use that.

I am using the master socket, I am using the data extension socket inside the master socket to go from the master socket to the HH upstairs using CAT5e cable like you should if you need the HH to be any other place than where the master socket is, that is why there is an internal IDC socket for data extension inside the master socket.

Its been like that for years and was fine when we was with our last provider, also BT used the same connection when they installed Home Choice many many years ago where we had the media box in another room which used a data extension.

When I said I was going to move it where the master socket, I was referring to move it near it i.e. using a shorter cable and instead of using the internal data extension socket I would be using the RJ45 socket at the front of the master socket.

*** updated text is underlined ***

Paul

Edited by PaulKirby (Thu 05-May-16 20:38:48)