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Standard User kingbiscit
(member) Mon 15-May-17 16:23:12
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Thanks for the replies everyone.

When I first posted I was hoping the entire estate was getting FTTP, including those with FTTC already. The BT engineer told a neighbour who already has FTTC that the entire was getting FTTP hence the confusion.

@witchunt cleared it up that just cab 124 is getting FTTP.

This then made me question whether I would be able to get FTTP in the future, if FTTP on demand is priced more realistically.

I'm completely happy to cover an installation cost, even at something like £500-£1000 as I think it puts value on my house and I don't plan on moving. I just think its unreasonable to put me on a completely different pricing structure monthly.
Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 16-May-17 08:32:03
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Nobody knows BTs future plans for FTTPoD pricing. Once they have got BDUK out of the way they might reduce them as more resource could be available to do the installs (high prices are a good way of controlling demand if you have limited resources). It is currently aimed as a business product so pricing is not so bad compared to alternatives but is out of most people's reach as a residential consumer. Plus BT are doing their G.Fast plans and they may want to concentrate on that to get a higher hit rate than individual FTTPoD installs.
Standard User kingbiscit
(member) Tue 16-May-17 11:41:16
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Makes sense.

I hope Openreach change so FTTPoD once installed is same as standard FTTP. I think there is a market out there where people would be willing to pay £500-£1000 cost to have it installed. For me I'd do it, I just wouldn't be willing to pay more monthly.


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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 16-May-17 12:12:03
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The minimum install charge by Openreach to ISPs and wholesalers is £1100 + Vat, and that only covers up to 199 metres from the aggregation point. Then it goes up by £700 for each 200 metre increment until 999 metres. Above that is 1499m at £4375, 1999m at £6125, then Price on Application.

The high three year rental with a minimum term of three years is believed to be to recover the costs of installation that haven't been included in the above.

All are also subject to survey and possible extra costs due to problems found. Then add on the ISP/Wholesaler profit margin and normal costs/charges for the actual broadband service backhaul, routing, CS and more ....

Although upcoming cheaper ways of making the physical connections once the fibre cabling is in place are expected, I don't see the civil works needed to get it in place coming down much in price. Though the FoD2 prices are expected to be lower.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 16-May-17 12:27:46
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And I suspect that the pressure to roll-out in volume will mean pressures on availability of labour will mean it can continue to command a premium price

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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 16-May-17 12:40:43
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Labour and no doubt civil works contractors as well, who knowing that Openreach will be under pressure to deliver aren't going to be standing there with begging bowls.

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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 16-May-17 12:56:53
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For me I'd do it, I just wouldn't be willing to pay more monthly.

Where is the incentive for service providers to buy into the product if they make nothing extra from it ?

Standard User kingbiscit
(member) Tue 16-May-17 16:07:11
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My house is less than 80m from the cab with modern ducting straight to my garden.
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 16-May-17 16:27:00
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My house is less than 80m from the cab with modern ducting straight to my garden.

But FTTPoD doesn't come from your cab, it comes from the aggregation node.

Standard User kingbiscit
(member) Tue 16-May-17 16:36:10
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Arrr ok. Didn't realise that.
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