I mean people who currently have low speeds with ADSL or VDSL. Most people on low speeds now woudn't suddenly jump to a high speed FTTP/G.Fast package if it became available. Going from 5Mb/s to 40Mb/s is a big jump in capability - most people would do that rather than pay more to go to 100Mb plus.

If someone is currently on VDSL 40/10 but getting 5/2 then going to FTTP 40/10 will be exactly the same income for BT - what BT need to pay for the investment in FTTP is people to be spending more not spending the same but getting more.

The offset is that the maintenance costs of FTTP should be cheaper than copper but with the scale of Openreach the payoff just on maintenance is going to be a long ROI.

Was in a large ex school this afternoon, been made into small business start up
units ..... each gets an ex classroom ... and only 5 meg ADSL.

There is MDU fibre, been there for over a year, and today�s install was only the third company to take it up .... the punter even said 80 meg worked out cheaper than renting a line and DSL.

So it�s there, infrastructure run past each room, but still no takers.

Bleak really.

Yes, pole testing could be a good skill to have in openreach over the next few years

Spent the day huffing and puffing a copper cable into some street furniture so they can cease the fibre.

Schools themselves buy the cheapest they can get away with and a lot have moved from good leased line services to ADSL and VDSL services to save money.

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Schools themselves buy the cheapest they can get away with and a lot have moved from good leased line services to ADSL and VDSL services to save money.

Schools tend to either buy fully managed services or are too large to be able to get away with anything other than leased lines.

Some reduction in leased line requirements though for sure. Replacement via broadband and overlay networks becoming more of a thing.

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In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

The main enemy to FTTP is the regulatory environment. If that become more supportive things can change fairly rapidly.

Would you like to explain your reaons for this statement.

No. It's pretty self evident. Check out the difference in the environment in Spain and Portugal, nations Sharon White belated about recently while conveniently ignoring the regulatory differences, and the one Ofcom create.

As a spoiler, they don't have a bunch of companies desperately petitioning the regulator to force the incumbent to keep copper, and allowed the incumbent to keep their FTTP investment to themselves in some areas for a period of time.

They even allow copper retirement. Perish the thought.

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Certainly in this area most schools buy the cheapest they can and that can mean small local companies providing cheap low spec services. Remembering that the majority of schools (by number) are primaries and therefore don't have masses of budget. Secondary schools have an economy of scale that primaries don't.

Except where I was on about wasn�t a school any more.

I know, but you mentioned a school so I went off on a slight tangent with more examples where people pay as little as possible.