For me it isn't that wireless is faster than copper - it is that different designs are in play. 5G is a raft of different standards and frequencies - the speed and range that someone gets will depend on which particular standard and frequency is in use. Copper is much the same - VDSL is a specific standard designed for a particular task using existing copper, a different config using different frequencies would have different results.

The other unknown will be how many 5G masts there are. For the very high speed high frequency stuff there will need to be lots of masts as the signals won't go far, the lower speed lower frequency will require fewer masts, be better at penetrating buildings but won't deliver the blistering speeds that 5G seems to promise. It is all a compromise and will be designed around the specific requirements of an area/supplier.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

With an Ethernet network using Unshielded Twisted Pair most people get 1 Gbps around a home but we are talking 20m to 30m maximum distances between the PC and the switch/router.

If you don't know what you are talking about do not spread disinformation, otherwise known as complete and utter rubbish.

Ethernet is good on Cat5e cable for 100m at 1Gbps and with the newer 802.3bz standard at 2.5Gbps, on Cat6 cable for 100m at 5Gbps using 802.3bz and on Cat6a cable for ~100m at 10Gbps. You can get 5Gbps on Cat5e at shorter distances and the same with 10Gbps on Cat6, that is situation dependant.

Basically with twisted pair ethernet the distance is 100m. If you could only do 20-30m as you suggest it would be utterly useless in a commercial environment.

It is unlikely anyone has Cat3 or Cat5 left in 2020 (they have been obsolete for over 20 years now) so it's 2.5Gbps for up to 100m as at a minimum for Ethernet. Anything better than Cat6a cable is a complete waste of time, money and resources by the way.

As it was obviously unclear, I meant the distances in the home are, in the average, 20m to 30m. Not the technical distances of 100BaseT.

Edited by jchamier (Mon 17-Feb-20 14:14:20)

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In reply to a post by jchamier:

Agreed. Unless there is a constant growth of 5G base stations, in cities a fixed line network should always win. If it�s built properly. A challenge to Virgin Media and OpenReach.

FTTP doesn't present any potential risk to health, it could be argued it's another stop gap and isn't really needed they could upgrade 4g

5g installation inside street lights can't be a good idea , then there is deforestation needed because it needs line of sight

Edited by tommy45 (Mon 17-Feb-20 14:53:16)

>5g installation inside street lights can't be a good idea

Explain why it is not a good idea.

>deforestation needed because it needs line of sight

Why would a forest need to be destroyed to deliver 5G? HINT Does not need to happen 5G in 700 MHz will get through a forest, existing frequencies will behave similar to 4G in that respect. The mmWave is intended for dense urban deployment e.g. inside buildings, stadiums or busy streets rather than delivering Gigabit to every corner of a forest.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

>5g installation inside street lights can't be a good idea

Explain why it is not a good idea.

>deforestation needed because it needs line of sight

Why would a forest need to be destroyed to deliver 5G? HINT Does not need to happen 5G in 700 MHz will get through a forest, existing frequencies will behave similar to 4G in that respect. The mmWave is intended for dense urban deployment e.g. inside buildings, stadiums or busy streets rather than delivering Gigabit to every corner of a forest.

prolonged exposure to the radiation these transceivers will give off, How do we know 100% that this tech is not a risk to our health? And driverless cars, No thanks i own a car because i actually enjoy driving

Edited by tommy45 (Mon 17-Feb-20 15:25:36)

How do we know?

1. 3G and 4G have used same frequencies for years
2. TV transmitters have used the 700 MHz band at much higher power levels for years
3. mmWave has been used for decades for satellite TV signals

Absolutely no idea what driverless cars has to do with this, beyond some marketing people see 5G and its low latency low frequency bands as being useful for inter vehicle comms.

Stop believing all that you read on facebook

This isn't conspiracy
As for the 3 & 4G variants These use cell site#s which are not installed like 5g which will swamp the area it will be more concentrated that 3& 4G signals are,

Edited by tommy45 (Mon 17-Feb-20 16:15:41)