".Wimpy want to build 330 houses less than 300m from my house. "

Why would a burger chain want to build houses?

Only had 3 faults in 10 years with ADSL and one was a router issue.

Upgraded to FTTC because of pandemic and Zoom / Teams calls due to faster upload required.

No difference to the everyday internet use. FaceAche, emails, streaming, etc.

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I do think that people should be on FTTP not FTTC

FTTC is fit for purpose and millions of UK homes are happily using it, to say 'people should be on FTTP' is pushing it not by a little but a lot.

Not really. Both ADSL2 and VDSL rollouts were stopgap technologies to bridge the transition of copper to fibre rather than any kind of solution for more than the short term. G.Fast thankfully was stopped in its tracks but even the fact they rolled some of it out shredded even the last bit of competence credibility OR and BT had. The fact BT and OR used it for so long was an error of Ofcom and the government not pressurising them and consumers not speaking up. OR still needs to die a horrible and painful death.

So yes, I agree with the OP that UK broadband has lagged severely behind as a result of egregious profiteering and downright inertia in OR, because we're only now in the transition where OR needed to be 10 years ago. But the physical network isn't the only issue, but also service standards have fallen tremendously over the last 10 years as well. The fact most ISPs, particularly alt nets, don't offer even basic things like static IPs or the use of PPPoE on an ethernet link is preposterous.

So there's an issue service side as well, as MTU, latency, contention and tunnelling rather than adopting more modern techniques such as EVPN per customer is drastically falling short of acceptable service levels too.

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The fact most ISPs, particularly alt nets, don't offer even basic things like static IPs or the use of PPPoE on an ethernet link is preposterous.

What wrong with not offering PPPoE? Why would you actually want PPPoE?
It has no place on a modern full fibre network.

Talktalk are the only OpenReach ISP to use plain IPoE and imo that's just madness.

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In reply to a post by zzing123:

The fact most ISPs, particularly alt nets, don't offer even basic things like static IPs or the use of PPPoE on an ethernet link is preposterous.

What wrong with not offering PPPoE? Why would you actually want PPPoE?
It has no place on a modern full fibre network.

Talktalk are the only OpenReach ISP to use plain IPoE and imo that's just madness.

Hmmm, this concerns me.
I'm supposed to be going live with them tomorrow on this. (TalkTalk over OpenReach FTTP). I thought they used plan old PPPoE.

Now I'll need to dig in to the OpenWRT setup to see what's needed to make the connection work 🙂

EDIT: oh it's just DHCP 🤦🏻‍♂️

Edited by MilesR (Tue 21-Sep-21 16:44:02)

Zero credentials. By far the easiest OpenReach ISP to authenticate with.

Automatic IP/IPoE/DHCP.

Bit of a shame there's no static IP options or IPV6 mind you.

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In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by Grimers:

I do think that people should be on FTTP not FTTC

FTTC is fit for purpose and millions of UK homes are happily using it, to say 'people should be on FTTP' is pushing it not by a little but a lot.

Not really. Both ADSL2 and VDSL rollouts were stopgap technologies to bridge the transition of copper to fibre rather than any kind of solution for more than the short term.

Lets be honest your average internet user doesn't need more than 25Mbps which would allow Ultra HD on Netflix for those that must have 100Mbps plus speeds then i guess you're quote above will be the case and its holding them back (if they cannot get it) for the rest of us 80/20 will do nicely, i assume the need for speed will continue and i imagine i will be jumping on that bandwagon some time in the not too distant future but i am in no rush like the majority of the country.

A Netflix Ultra HD.
A steady internet connection speed of 25 megabits per second or higher.


The average broadband speed in the UK rose by 18% last year, regulator Ofcom says.

BBC News -
The annual home broadband report says the average home speed is now 64 megabits per second (Mbps), up from 54.2Mbps the year before.

The 18% boost is in line with growth in previous years.

Data for the report was gathered in November 2019, but updated with changes during the coronavirus lockdown, when speeds fell by 2%.

Ofcom says the small decrease shows that performance "is holding up well" during the pandemic, despite the increased demand.

The government began to ask people to stay at home on 16 March, so the speeds from the last week of March were compared to the beginning of the month.

Virgin Media was the worst affected, with speed dipping by nearly 10% at one point - although the report noted that since Virgin has higher speeds than most providers, customers were unlikely to have noticed.

The Ofcom report is compiled from a panel of volunteers who have the speeds measured from their routers, and is considered to be a very accurate way of measuring the data.

Edited by Jack_Hackett (Tue 21-Sep-21 17:05:14)

On Openreach FTTP
- TalkTalk residential use IPoE (DHCP)
- TalkTalk Business use PPPoE

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On Openreach FTTP
- TalkTalk residential use IPoE (DHCP)
- TalkTalk Business use PPPoE

Nice one, thanks @Pheasant

No worries. As I found out (by accident rather than design) the PPPoE credentials do not matter at all for TTB - the service went live using my previous ISP creds for PPPoE

Of course if your using TT resi none of this matters a jot.