In reply to a post by dect:

I was referring to the fact that if SOTAP is used to supply those with voice only services after the PSTN has been switched off the requirement to have copper going all the way back to the local exchange would still be required so the exchange couldn't be handed back after all the other kit/services have been scrapped or moved. Those still with SOGEA or FTTC services already go back to headend exchanges which in a lot of cases isn't the local exchange .

True. I guess it may become economic for Openreach (BT Group) to install extra FTTC cabinets to provide SOGEA to replace SOTAP and so allow the local exchange to be fully vacated, if FTTP build-out is still some way in the distance.

Dect

The lights will be off already, as you know they are mostly unmanned and only visited to change PSTN / ADSL terminations ( Or make a cup of tea/coffee)

In reply to a post by kitcat:

Dect

The lights will be off already, as you know they are mostly unmanned and only visited to change PSTN / ADSL terminations ( Or make a cup of tea/coffee)

I know you're right but back in my day they were a hive of activity day and night (well the ones on my patch were) and the lights were never off

I would like to explore this a little further now.

What will happen to the Telephone USO? Currently BT and I believe KCom are involved in that. Forgive my ignorance on this, but is it not going to get extremely complicated?

Firstly we have the cost of SOTAP - presumably some sort of equipment and work in the exchange? Is that part of the USO? Is it free to those customers who need it? What about the router or whatever it will be called?

Secondly those who need FTTC connections. Will the 'connection charge' and possible new cabs be 'free'? Now those without a useable router who will need a VOIP adapter? Is any cost for all this born by the ISP or BT/KCom? Where would Virgin fit in all this?

I assume all FTTP fibre routers will be useable without additions?

Lastly, the cost of the VOIP phones themselves and UPS?

mikejp

The Telephone USO is only applicable to presently unserved premises.

The max cost to BT/KCOM is £3400 at present. If it costs more than this to serve the customer has to pay the excess.

At present this remains the case. As such if a premises is not served with Telephone service at present BT /KCOM have to see how much it costs. In the future where copper does not exist they will have to use Fibre or a 'fixed' mobile connection. If this costs more than £3400 they will be able to charge the customer the excess ( if they agree to pay). I am aware of some sites that would have cost £100k + by copper this is unlikely to change except where Mobile is available.( "shooting lodges" in Scotland were often in this category) But other not spots exist in all parts of the country.

Agreed, kk, but it could be a moot point whether a premise became 'unserved'.

In reply to a post by kitcat:

At present this remains the case. As such if a premises is not served with Telephone service at present BT /KCOM have to see how much it costs.

Thanks kitcat for seemingly being one of the few on this site who knows that the difference between premises where we live, shop or booze, and a basic assumption (a premise, or of course several related assumptions; premises) .

Thanks so much, admonishment accepted. Anything useful to contribute to the topic?

Of course, it should be "Thanks, kitcat," shouldn't it?

Now back on topic?

Edited by mikejp (Mon 14-Feb-22 08:45:05)

You're in "good?" company? Such as Andrew (MrSaffron).

And for several years the BT Wholesale checker had both, on the same page.

If you want to know everything there is to know then actually ask a company dealing with it all. This is a forum where people do their best to help others.