In reply to a post by tommy45:

That is an example of how difficult it really is

Winning votes isn't easy, but UKIP won enough votes to force a referendum. Democracy isn't a walk in the park, but it's more effective than moaning on a forum.

In reply to a post by tommy45:

No, but your PRIVACY and rights diminish too , WHAT right does any private corp have to HOLD such data on any individual without their prior consent? I am told i live in a free western nation where democracy rules not commie CHINA

Given your certainty that governments are part of a conspiracy against the common citizen which does not happen in any other part of society I'm sure you have a sensible answer to how the Zuckerberg universe has conned billions of people into clicking the "I accept the terms and conditions" box so that any data or keystrokes of those gullible individuals can be accessed by a PRIVATE corporation in the future. Or is it a part of your conditioned mind-set that PRIVATE corporations which have more power and financial clout than most governments by definition would never use that data without due regard to a citizen's privacy. I do not have any social media accounts but it is probable that the main social media players have as much data about me as the government holds due to the lack of awareness of the average citizen.

The only sensible way to look at all this conspiracy malarkey and how it affects the man on the Clapham omnibus is to remember that it is a statistical fact that half of the population are stupider than the average.

Its always been an issue. Bank fees, security risks, wasted time cashing up etc has always been there but businesses absorbed the costs as most people paid cash.

Now its the other way and most pay card, so businesses can ditch cash and all the downsides. Yes smartphones make it easier to pay card but thats a relative new thing

Woke up to what? Some crazy conspiracy that the Government are tracking what supermarket you shop at as you spent on card and somehow using that against you?

Said virtually cashless. Ive beem to both and used card 100% of the time. Sweden does accept cash more readily but Copenhagen nowhere i went took it

In reply to a post by bobble_bob:

You can't force them to use cash. Just like you can't force them to serve you. Its their business

Its alot easier and cheaper for businesses to take card only payments (and small businesses need every little they can). Plus they wouldnt do it if people weren't willing to go paperless. Like it or not cash is dying

Am I the only one who can't help thinking that this is all more than a tad ironic ... given that it wasn't really *that* long ago that some/most/all businesses refused to accept card payments or made a significant surcharge for very reluctantly taking them !

Any move away from cash and the dependence on cards and tech various is simply the inevitable result of Bank and Govt manipulation to archive whatever agenda it is that are looking to achieve. Much the same as encouraging if not forcing people to bank 'digitally' then using the drop in face to face branch business as the perfect excuse to close branches and dispose of staff.

No conspiracy theories per se, it's just all about the do$h ... but most definitely theirs and not yours

Edited by ambrougham (Fri 12-Aug-22 08:38:21)

In reply to a post by tommy45:

No, but your PRIVACY and rights diminish too , WHAT right does any private corp have to HOLD such data on any individual without their prior consent? I am told i live in a free western nation where democracy rules not commie CHINA

You're really going to lose your mind, again, when you see how much data Tesco and others hold on their loyalty card holders. Alongside of course that they consented to it.

In reply to a post by tommy45:

the #scamdemic was the catalyst, the nonsense of safer and faster card payments only checkouts conditioned the masses, i could go into detail but i'll be banned most likely

There are comments that make you wonder about people then there are comments that leave no doubt. You could go into detail however the sources would likely be as reliable as Infowars so perhaps best avoided. I'm sure we've all read quite enough about the WEF, WHO, Gates Foundation and the Great Reset for one lifetime.

Edited by XGS_Is_On (Fri 12-Aug-22 11:07:13)

In reply to a post by ambrougham:

Any move away from cash and the dependence on cards and tech various is simply the inevitable result of Bank and Govt manipulation to archive whatever agenda it is that are looking to achieve. Much the same as encouraging if not forcing people to bank 'digitally' then using the drop in face to face branch business as the perfect excuse to close branches and dispose of staff.

No conspiracy theories per se, it's just all about the do$h ... but most definitely theirs and not yours

No cash = no jobs done 'for cash' avoiding tax. China's underground economy is massive, they are missing out on tons of tax so clamped down on crypto and are squeezing cash.

Private sector fewer staff required = more potential profit for retailers.
No cash = banks need fewer branches.

A bunch of things that used to be done in person aren't now. This is the way things are. Automation is a thing and is needed to ensure longer term competitiveness internationally. Global Britain and all that.

How the benefits of this are split and what's done to ensure it doesn't harm people are a very different story though.

I think people seem to forget that cash is nothing more than a promissory note from its issuing bank. You pay it into a private bank someone taps numbers on a keyboard and credits your account. The note itself has no more value than the numbers in your bank account besides who backs it.

Actual hard currency stopped being a thing when the UK left the gold standard. It's all promises to pay and numbers in a computer. Cash is in many respects a relic. I'm fine with it disappearing as long as appropriate regulations are in place to ensure our transactions aren't enriching Visa, Mastercard, AmEx and our banks and that financial data isn't misused. Keeping and building on GDPR would be a good start.

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In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I think the so-called pandemic scared them

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Good for them, so is china, but China is doing it to track their citizens and to be honest I think this is the reason why we are moving to a cashless society

Comments like these can make you wonder about a person. Just saying. The UK's huge use of CCTV is far more sinister. We currently have some pretty good protections against tracking via GDPR but that'll be off the books soon.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

A colleague who works on the checkout said to me a few weeks ago, you can't force them, I said what the hell are you on about, he said customers, you can't force them to use self scans or scan and shop. They would rather wait in a queue.

We are not in London, we have a huge population of older people and they will not be forced.

Seems quite bizarre to me standing in a queue for the sake of being stubborn but whatever does it for them.

I'll continue to avoid queues where possible while they waste their time queuing out of a petulant desire to refuse modern convenience.

WAKEY WAKEY
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/automated...
https://www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-informat...
Even the fake opposition say this
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jun/23/u...

Yes, I'm sure the older folks of Hereford are deeply concerned by facial recognition and, in supermarkets bristling with cameras, have surveyed them to find the places they can most easily avoid them.

Especially useful when at the till they take out their Clubcard to get their discounts and today's shop joins all the other data tied together by that discount scheme (older folks tend to use these schemes more).

Cameras are aimed at people when they go in, as they walk around and when they pay. To use them for facial recognition requires permission. Whether you're paying with cash at a regular till or using a self-checkout and a card there is plenty enough footage of you for use in facial recognition so I'm not sure what you're suggesting I wake