In reply to a post by pluralist:

I was thinking about GDPR which was mentioned, and the fact the EU will require fingerprint and facial biometrics from us soon just to travel to at least the Schengen area. (That'll upset some on this site ).

The US has had this since the late 1990s, notably before the 9/11 event that changed a lot of their security thinking. Millions and millions of UK and EU citizens regularly travel to the US for holidays and work in the last 25 yeras. Go back to 2019 and look at the number of regular flights from Heathrow and Frankfurt for one idea of the volume.

Total state surveillance really. AIUI China has a large proportion of its own population's facial bios on file. It'll come here before long for all of us, not just immigrants.

I always assumed the border was fair game

My issue with ID cards was always the computer system behind them, and lack of legal requirements on the company supplying to ensure their staff (operator, database admin etc) couldn't look at the data directly. viz.... Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I have no intention of going abroad, so it will bother me not.
As for coming here, maybe at some point, but I think it will be years, the Tories got rid of the last I.D card system that was set up, and I don't think Labour will try again if they get back in. No doubt they will try and slip something in by the back door at some point, the digital I.D system may be the start of it.

If anything happens it will be on the border... for non citizens. The border is a strange place legally.

Don't see what all the fuss is about. Today's tech is wonderful, the world's info at a touch, order and pay for stuff online, access your Government records -- indeed for VAT etc you MUST go online -- and what would we do without social media?

True, the National Grid was warning last year and again last month that the grid is very near capacity, and we now find the solar panel farms don't work properly in hot weather, and the hydro system has had to reduce output because their reservoirs have dried up, the turbines are static because there's no wind in the current anticyclone, we've blown up those nasty power stations, and four years ago the Government refused to finance the vast Rough gas storage under the North Sea, saying that the market would take care of everything.

But hey, we're all connected. What could possibly go wrong?

In reply to a post by jchamier:

If anything happens it will be on the border... for non citizens. The border is a strange place legally.

I don't think anything will happen,

In reply to a post by Malwaremike:

Don't see what all the fuss is about. Today's tech is wonderful, the world's info at a touch, order and pay for stuff online, access your Government records -- indeed for VAT etc you MUST go online -- and what would we do without social media?

True, the National Grid was warning last year and again last month that the grid is very near capacity, and we now find the solar panel farms don't work properly in hot weather, and the hydro system has had to reduce output because their reservoirs have dried up, the turbines are static because there's no wind in the current anticyclone, we've blown up those nasty power stations, and four years ago the Government refused to finance the vast Rough gas storage under the North Sea, saying that the market would take care of everything.

But hey, we're all connected. What could possibly go wrong?

LOL.

The sad thing is, what can be used for good, can be used for bad and most of the time it is used for bad.

In reply to a post by Malwaremike:

Don't see what all the fuss is about. Today's tech is wonderful, the world's info at a touch, order and pay for stuff online, access your Government records -- indeed for VAT etc you MUST go online -- and what would we do without social media?

The UK's electricity consumption has dropped nearly 20% since peak. Sure, though, it's all the fault of modern technology.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I have no intention of going abroad, so it will bother me not.

Think it's fair to say you and I live on completely different worlds, which makes life more interesting.

I hope you come into a few quid and rethink.

Time to learn to read!