In reply to a post by pluralist:

(I don't get those two acronyms. MBAM appears to be a legacy Windows product and MBAN a Master of Business Analytics).

Malware Bytes Anti Malware was its original name. The non-free version does various checks of the operating system at start up, as does the competition (Norton, McAfee, AVG, etc).

Which I find crazy as Windows 10 and Windows 11 has this built in, by the original creator of the operating system, whom know a lot more about the product than any third party.

My view: all 3rd party tools, including MB are from companies and organisations that we needed in the eras from DOS in the 80's through to WinXP / Win7, but they now need to gradually vanish. No wonder Symantec was purchased by a major hardware vendor. (Broadcom), and Intel sold McAfee, realising there will be no money in security software.

Big corporates use Microsoft's product (with the enterprise add ons for reporting and central control).

Apple has changed macOS and with their own CPUs the OS now resembles iOS (iPhone/iPad) and you cannot write to it. Microsoft virtualised all the parts of the OS that applications attempt to change, so that the problems of XP etc don't happen.

Those (like me) whom remember Dr Solomon's Antivirus can relax now. This isn't those days.

Edited by jchamier (Sun 18-Sep-22 13:47:38)

Which I find crazy as Windows 10 and Windows 11 has this built in, by the original creator of the operating system, whom know a lot more about the product than any third party.

I have tried defender and I find it scans really slow I also prefer not to put all my eggs in one basket a personal choice which has served me well over the many years using my PC.

In reply to a post by Jack_Hackett:

I have tried defender and I find it scans really slow I also prefer not to put all my eggs in one basket a personal choice which has served me well over the many years using my PC.

In corporates (100,000 devices, multiple continents) we gave up full disk scanning over 10 years ago. On access is the way forward.

Of course each to their own, just keep an eye on The Register for security holes in products (Microsoft and others) and on sites like AV Test or AV comparatives.

Of course each to their own, just keep an eye on The Register for security holes in products (Microsoft and others) and on sites like AV Test or AV comparatives.

Thats not something i have ever done i keep AVG updated manually every time i boot the PC it's a habit i got into years ago and as i say its served me well.

This is an interesting watch.
https://youtu.be/Wz81YEW0BT0?t=309

I might just give Defender a try


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Edited by Jack_Hackett (Sun 18-Sep-22 14:47:21)

In reply to a post by Jack_Hackett:

This is an interesting watch.

I don't generally trust YouTube videos, but then I'm at the corporate level, not home level. I really dislike demo/trial versions of AV tools that disable the Windows built in tools, and then sit there 'expired' for years.

don't generally trust YouTube videos,

He is basically saying the AV companies are collecting lots of info with all the scanning they run in the background and are farming it out to other people.

They all work by collecting and sharing data, building a ‘trust’ matrix, even MS Defender does this. But I’m not surprised if the companies are selling the data to others, they need income as their business gradually disappears. Hopefully someone with proof will take them to the Information Commissioner.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

They all work by collecting and sharing data, building a ‘trust’ matrix, even MS Defender does this. But I’m not surprised if the companies are selling the data to others, they need income as their business gradually disappears. Hopefully someone with proof will take them to the Information Commissioner.

I have now got windows security (i didn't know they had changed the name) set to recommended settings and will give it a try i cannot argue with the stats below -

https://www.av-test.org/en/antivirus/home-windows/wi...

I note that was using Windows 10 Professional. That may or may not be relevant.

Edited by pluralist (Mon 19-Sep-22 00:24:35)

In reply to a post by pluralist:

I note that was using Windows 10 Professional. That may or may not be relevant.

Surely it will be the same whichever OS you have as there is no paid for version of WD/WS