In reply to a post by jpm:

I'm not fully convinced that people understand at the moment that if they use cordless phones they will stop working when the base station loses power, despite most of them having stickers on the bases explaining this.

and most of the cell sites have no battery backup. Its a change for society to get its head around.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Maybe getting rid of the long 24 month contracts may help and not do stupid prices for doing so.
this is one of the things that pout me off going to FTTP.
If they want people to go onto FTTP then they have to make it worthwhile, no good saying faster speed, because a lot of people are not interested in faster speed.

The 24 month contracts are too long, same for mobiles. I mostly think you are put off from fttp, because of higher prices. I looked at zzoom's pricing and incorrectly thought you were on 80/20 but you are on a 40/10 product so I can see your price argument quite well. I don't know if you have OR FTTP yet, that way you can get 40/10 fttp, I'm on a 40/10 product and due to line conditions, extra ports and changing supplier i've gone down from 19/1.3 to 13/1.2. I now struggle with larger downloads, i'm now standing outside or a 5 minute walk for lte-a speeds for downloading larger files.

If i could choose between 40/10 fttp and what i have got, i'd go with the former. I also think though, you may think its extra flaff for no real gain.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

In reply to a post by Banger:

There is an article on ISPr about Openreach limiting FTTC speeds to 2mb/s in trial areas and blocking outgoing calls to get people to switch. I think it's outrageous but you may be next Adrian. Linky

Not allow to do this. You pay for the service FTTC 40/10, 80/20, G.fast via FTTC Pod 160/30 or 330/50.

Openreach - YOU ARE DISGRACEFUL. I BE READY TO SUED YOU IN COURT if you do limit my speed at 2Mbps!

I do think whilst a court case could cause OR to loose, OR really should look at offering free migrations over to fttp for any openreach isp customers (i'm sure somebody will say they already do) rather than limiting voice.and dsl speeds.

It makes sense for sailsbury to rip its dsl and copper network out

In reply to a post by Taras:

I do think whilst a court case could cause OR to loose

I personally don't believe Openreach would consider trialling it before they had their big money lawyers check the legality of it out first. Hopefully the limiting of the service would follow many other attempts to migrate the end User before this option was activated.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I BE READY TO SUED YOU IN COURT

Lets hope those on benefits don't expect tax payers to cough up their legal costs.

In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by Taras:

I do think whilst a court case could cause OR to loose

I personally don't believe Openreach would consider trialling it before they had their big money lawyers check the legality of it out first.

History has shown otherwise (companies in general - look at ford - yes i know its 'merica but the point stands!)....

In reply to a post by dect:

Hopefully the limiting of the service would follow many other attempts to migrate the end User before this option was activated.

Standard migration should be done. A full fibre network is cheaper to run, especially with pon.

In reply to a post by Taras:

Standard migration should be done. A full fibre network is cheaper to run, especially with pon.

Migration isn't the issue its those stone age customers out there (we have a few on here) who would moan and be obstructive (throwing their toys out of the pram) if their ISP/Openreach tried to migrate them to FTTP.

I personally believe if ISP's are passing on costs to their customers for a FTTP migration (separately itemised) then the customer is better off moving to another provider that doesn't.

In reply to a post by dect:

Migration isn't the issue its those stone age customers out there (we have a few on here) who would moan and be obstructive (throwing their toys out of the pram) if their ISP/Openreach tried to migrate them to FTTP.

Most naysayers are in the camp of extra work, another box, extra cost, no phone line etc.

In reply to a post by dect:

I personally believe if ISP's are passing on costs to their customers for a FTTP migration (separately itemised) then the customer is better off moving to another provider that doesn't.

Completely agree with that.

In reply to a post by jpm:

I'm not fully convinced that people understand at the moment that if they use cordless phones they will stop working when the base station loses power, despite most of them having stickers on the bases explaining this.

You really think people are that thick? Maybe some are and maybe some just don't think about it, but a lot of people also have a phone connected that is not cordless. I used to have a normal phone connected to my phone as well as my cordless phones. I don't have any phones connected to the main landline these days as I use VoIP

In reply to a post by Taras:

The 24 month contracts are too long, same for mobiles. I mostly think you are put off from fttp, because of higher prices. I looked at zzoom's pricing and incorrectly thought you were on 80/20 but you are on a 40/10 product so I can see your price argument quite well. I don't know if you have OR FTTP yet, that way you can get 40/10 fttp, I'm on a 40/10 product and due to line conditions, extra ports and changing supplier i've gone down from 19/1.3 to 13/1.2. I now struggle with larger downloads, i'm now standing outside or a 5 minute walk for lte-a speeds for downloading larger files.

If i could choose between 40/10 fttp and what i have got, i'd go with the former. I also think though, you may think its extra flaff for no real gain.

The 24 months contracts are certainly too long, been there, done that with a local wireless network that worked fantastic for around 12 months, and then it suffered with having too many people on their network, and they could not cope and the speed I was getting was worse than what I had with ADSL. So I was stuck in a contract for another 12 months. By the time the contract ended, FTTC was available here.

The higher prices are not the main problem, I can afford the higher prices, to a certain extent, I could afford Zzoomm 900Mb./s at £66 a month, could go for their 2Gb conection at £99 a month, it would mean putting less in my savings each payday, but I could do it, I would not, but I could. Openreach FTTP is available here, they have been following Zzoomm, scared that they are going to miss out on something, not interested before zzoom started, now Openreach is interested.
I have no problem with people wanting the faster speed if they need it or feel they need it, some people just think they do.
I know a few people who love to boast about that they have, faster phones, internet and computers and when asked what they do with it, I find they do less than me, it is just this, look at what I got thing, better than the Jones's next door. I buy things that I need, and do what I want, that is why I have a cheap Oppo phone, because I don't need to spend a stupid amount on a new phone just because it may download a web page a .0005 of a second faster.
This is the same with the internet, I went to a wireless broadband provider to get something a bit better than the 3Mb/s I was getting with ADSL and I did for a while, I got 10Mb/s, until it went belly up, and it's did what I wanted, then I went to FTTP, not so much because I could get 36Mb/s, but because the service I was on was going downhill. Now things are slightly different, we have 4k video, i use my internet for smart home automation and i listen to a fair bit of music using my broadband, saying that Music would work fine on 10 Mb/s and so would smart home stuff, but 4K video would struggle. Even if I could have got 80Mb/s FTTc I would not have bothered, not worth paying higher price for something I would not advantage off. This is one of my arguments for not getting FTTP, I don't need the higher speed. So get FTTP at the same speed I have now, I hear you say, but i see no point in going through all the hassle of getting it installed for no gain, ok i can save a few pence a month as 36Mb.s FTTP is slightly cheaper from Plusnet than FTTC.

It was a couple of weeks ok when I was trying to figure out why some games I have were not working correctly, and I decided to reformat the drive they were stored on and reinstalled them that I thought it would have been nice to have faster broadband as they are from steam, but then I got over it and thought they can download while i am sleeping.