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I think you've got it in one.

Thanks!

Edited by jchamier (Sun 05-Feb-23 14:41:26)

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Easy tiger. I'm still flying under the radar this year, just! 😂

Skating along the line myself

It's terrible to label, but I think we have pretty good idea of those in society that are going to need assistance here.

My grandparents (whom left us in the early 2010's) used to explain to me how they noticed technology change from their retirement (around 1980) had sped up to an incredible pace, and it was the rate of change they found hard, not learning the individual technologies.

I suspect that is where the world turned, back then you learned complex tools and used long term. Now everyone touches on 15% or even 55% of a tool (usually software) and isn't expected to learn 100%... unlike mechanical consoles, people using software generally don't learn things by rote (press Ctrl + K + D) but we guess the approach to "save and quit" and when the icons and menus move, we adapt.

Quite a dramatic change in the learning and doing processes.

As one who won't see 80 again never mind 70, I think you've got it in one. For example, after 24 years I 'flew' again in an Airbus simulator. I was totally lost in what appeared to be a giant video console with pilots becoming computer operators. But turn off all the systems so the aircraft returned to the controls I remember and I could 'fly' it no problem, it was like riding a bicycle.
PS to JC: well, what do you expect from an old fossil ?

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PS to JC: well, what do you expect from an old fossil ?

This forum could do with an easier edit box, larger font would help

So to summarise, mobile, fixed wireless, cable, FTTC and Altnet FTTP will all fail for area-wide power cuts > 2 hours, less in many cases.

If a connection with the resilience to power cuts of PSTN and BT ADSL is needed only Openreach FTTP, satellite or resilient leased fibre will provide that.

Altnet ADSL may or may not be resilient to area-wide power cuts, depending on whether they paid for maintained power.

Does anyone know of any resilient solutions beyond those listed above?

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PS to JC: well, what do you expect from an old fossil ?

I'm not far behind you and have my display preferences set to always use the Preview box, so I can make sure my posts look the way I intended before committing them to public viewing

Comes in handy for checking your links work as intended too.

Openreach FTTP still needs power at the customer premises for the ONT and router so not resilient by default.

Openreach FTTC and ADSL still need power at the customers premises for the router so not resilient by default.

I suspect satellite broadband also needs power at the customers premises so not resilient by default.

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Openreach FTTP still needs power at the customer premises for the ONT and router so not resilient by default.

Openreach FTTC and ADSL still need power at the customers premises for the router so not resilient by default.

I suspect satellite broadband also needs power at the customers premises so not resilient by default.

Define "resilient"! For each of the options above resilience is in the customer's hands (UPS, generator or whatever). It is up to the customer whether to add in that resilience. The customer cannot add that resilience for things beyond his/her control. The wider network may well not be resilient which will negate any measures put in place by the customer.

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Define "resilient"! For each of the options above resilience is in the customer's hands (UPS, generator or whatever). It is up to the customer whether to add in that resilience. The customer cannot add that resilience for things beyond his/her control. The wider network may well not be resilient which will negate any measures put in place by the customer.

I do take your point about the difference although for me nothing compares to a traditional copper PSTN service if your looking for simplicity.

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]I do take your point about the difference although for me nothing compares to a traditional copper PSTN service if your looking for simplicity.

Particularly when you live in a mobile-free zone like we do!