In reply to a post by ferretuk:

How about changing one thing at a time?

It seems you've recently tested a 3 SIM, a Vodafone SIM, an iPad, an iPhone, TBB speedtest and the BTW speedtest with no clarity on what with what?

- Your Vodafone FTTP BQM looks fine. The link you shared was just for yesterday, so results after midnight aren't visible
- An iPhone testing with the BTW speedtest (on your FTTP connection?) gives a good result

It still looks to me that the problems centre round your iPad and not FTTP, but it's almost impossible to follow your testing methodology to be sure...

I believe its called the scattergun approach

In reply to a post by ferretuk:

How about changing one thing at a time?

It seems you've recently tested a 3 SIM, a Vodafone SIM, an iPad, an iPhone, TBB speedtest and the BTW speedtest with no clarity on what with what?

- Your Vodafone FTTP BQM looks fine. The link you shared was just for yesterday, so results after midnight aren't visible
- An iPhone testing with the BTW speedtest (on your FTTP connection?) gives a good result

It still looks to me that the problems centre round your iPad and not FTTP, but it's almost impossible to follow your testing methodology to be sure...

And we still haven't got a wired based result.

The whole reason we always ask for a wired based result is that, wifi,the conditions changed, theres about 10 wireless standards (from very slow to very fast) and also wifi is uni directional,(yes mimo solves that issue) compared to ethernet which is bidirectional.

This whole thread has turned into chaos!

I just test things as suggestions come up.

Sorry I have caused confusion by following advice given.

I quote from the TBB test page :-

"This test is designed for users on broadband connections in the UK from free Wi-Fi in a cafe through to Gigabit Fibre to the Home,"

I will refrain from posting anything more on here untill I have the fixed line test after blowing the dust off a device with ethernet connection. I thought wifi was meant to be the connection of the future or at least the present, but maybe not?

In reply to a post by hk11:

I thought wifi was meant to be the connection of the future or at least the present, but maybe not?

It is the most flexible connection, and if both ends are the same type (e.g. WiFi 6) and you have no neighbours (for miles) its great. When you have neighbours, and varying ages of hardware, WiFi performance can collapse VERY fast.

My home internet is 250 megabits from Virgin Media, but over WiFi 2.4 GHz on an iPhone 6s the maximum speeds I can see are about 30 megabit.

Connecting a 10 year old laptop with a Gigabit Ethernet port to the router, and I see the full 250 megabit.

https://fast.com and https://thinkbroadband.com/speedtest are both worth using. Use a Private Browsing tab in Safari for both to avoid any browser caching.

In reply to a post by hk11:

I thought wifi was meant to be the connection of the future or at least the present, but maybe not?

In a sense it is, but only because of the increasing preponderance of small, portable devices where wired isn't practicable. Doesn't mean it's better.

And when it comes to trying to locate a problem, it's safer to believe the engineers rather than the PR department's hyperbole.

Wired from a very dusy, retired Debian sever. :-

https://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/16897559554...

Edited by hk11 (Wed 19-Jul-23 09:58:03)

My point is there are fewer and fewer wired devices in use nowdays. I haven't used a wired connection in years as everything I have is wireless. Maybe I am in the minority? It's thevsame with printers. Everything is online and I haven't printed anything in even longer. I just email a jpg.

In reply to a post by hk11:

I quote from the TBB test page :-

"This test is designed for users on broadband connections in the UK from free Wi-Fi in a cafe through to Gigabit Fibre to the Home,"

You've misinterpreted the meaning - The TBB speedtest will give you the speed available to the test device, whether that devices is wired or wireless, subject to the limitations of *that* device. This is not the same as telling you the maximum available speed if you were to connect with a different device.

No, it's not that you are "in the minority". The point is, if you are in an area of high RF noise, you *will* get poor performance over wifi, and that is not the fault of your Internet service provider.

Therefore, even if you don't intend to use ethernet day-to-day, performing a test via an ethernet cable lets you narrow in the source of the problem: is it something to do with my wifi environment, as opposed to my Internet service?

If it's a wifi problem then changing ISP won't make any difference, except that they may provide a different router with different wifi characteristics.

You would then be looking at changing wifi channels, or using a different band (5GHz vs 2.4GHz), or increasing the density of access points in your house to get better coverage in the face of outside interference.

If you get slow performance even with an ethernet cable, you still need to rule out the possibility of the wired device being the bottleneck. e.g. for Windows users, booting a PC from an Ubuntu USB live stick is a good test.