In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by Iniltous:

Perhaps you can provide evidence of this .
As the OP is asking about a particular Alt Net , then referencing OR serves what purpose ?, apart from your almost pathological need to denigrate them

Ok, lets put it a different way, from reading around before I got zzoomm, I read that Openreach a contention ratio is 32-1, while Zzoomm has 20-1, so it may not be the same for all networks I suppose.

The info is not the easiest to get, I got from different forums and sites, and it seems that they match up with each other.
Oh do you feel superior using words like denigrate?

No, this is nothing to do with my hatred for OR and BT.

If you read somewhere that your ISP ( and as your initial reply stated not just up your ISP but all other Alt Nets use a ‘better’ split ratio ) provide some evidence to support that claim , FWIW , 20-1 split doesn’t lend itself to the way optical splitting works , so presumably your claim is either that your ISP takes a 32-1 splitter and disables output fibres 21-32 , or they have some magical way to get to 20-1, in which case it would be interesting to know of this technology, BTW , there is nothing wrong with saying that’s unverified nonsense unless you can point to where you obtained this information.

Why does a word like denigrate bother you ? , I could have stated , ‘why do you always slag off Openreach and BT ‘ , it conveys the same message, but I think it’s a juvenile , aggressive and disrespectful way to address anyone, even you , so I don’t do it , would you prefer to be addressed in a disrespectful way ?

I’m not sure you realise the irony, you are effectively saying ‘my hate for BT and Openreach has nothing to do with my negativity towards them’ , in this case ( even though they were not the subject of the discussion ) you included a negative reference for what purpose ? , the OP apparently hasn’t the option to use OR anyway

Edited by Iniltous (Sat 31-Aug-24 10:35:14)

I'd be amazed if someone was building an XGS-PON network on a 1:20 split ratio

In reply to a post by XGS_Is_On:

ISPs aren't the bottleneck anymore. Advertising and regulatory changes force them to advertise the average speed during peak times. If you aren't getting full speed at peak times there's a problem somewhere.

Just FYI the old school issues were when everyone besides the cable company was paying BT Wholesale for bandwidth from the exchanges to the ISP. That cost a massive amount and was why some throttled. They were paying seven figures a year for less than a gigabit of capacity. Ouch!

OK. That clears things up. Thanks.

In other news: I contacted my current ISP, Zen (who have generally been pretty good), told me that they are negotiating use of Trooli's FTTP infrastructure, so I may get to stay where I am anyway!

In reply to a post by YammerUK:

Zen (who have generally been pretty good), told me that they are negotiating use of Trooli's FTTP infrastructure

Some info:
https://www.zen.co.uk/blog/posts/zen-blog/2024/08/15...

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2024/08/isp-ze...

In reply to a post by jpm:

I'd be amazed if someone was building an XGS-PON network on a 1:20 split ratio

Said 'contention ratio' rather than split ratio and a Google of that returns a result. Obviously he's confusing them, doesn't realise they aren't the same thing. Openreach would have to sell 2.4 Gbit/s connections to every customer, nothing lower, and to sell every port on the split including the two they don't generally use to reach the claimed 32:1 ratio.

Zzoomm sell up to 2 Gbit with most customers on a gigabit or lower. They could run a 1:128 split with the average customer on gigabit and be within the mentioned 20:1 contention ratio on the full fibre network. I note their use of 'on the full fibre network' too: the backhaul is likely way higher contention and it doesn't matter. A thousand gigabit customers will happily fit into 10 Gbit of backhaul with no visible slow down nearly all the time despite the 100:1 contention ratio.

We are in a Trooli area, and had flawless 1Gb connection 24/7 for two years.

Since we recontracted a few months ago to their 1gb/1gb service, the 'quality' is very poor.

Pages slow to load, and certainly a noticeable drop off in response at peak times, but their customer service is diabolical when trying to get hold of anyone.

If you eventually get through, you can talk to one person, then a. few days later when you call again and ask for the same person, they have left the company, and this has happened 3 times now.

You get no case number so have to go through the issues over and over again when you speak to someone new'.

Cant wait to bin them off as by the time we need to renew, maybe Zen might hjave better service.

Tried different DNS?

Have you been moved to CGNAT as a result of signing a new contract?

In reply to a post by Zadeks:

Tried different DNS?

Funny you should say that, as if i try to use Google or Cloudfare DNS, when the router reboots, the log still shows it connects to their DNS servers, even though in the settings i have changed them,

I tried a Netgear router, but that isnt as detailed as the Zyxel, and all it say is something like 'connected to internet', so i cant tell if it is their end or not.

AS for CGNAT, im not sure how i could find out? The 'external' ip address changes on each reboot.

In reply to a post by Alucidnation:

AS for CGNAT, im not sure how i could find out? The 'external' ip address changes on each reboot.

The IP address you get will be a good indicator. Just the first 2 of 4 would do, although if your IP address changes, obscurity does not really matter. Even public IP addresses can change with many ISPs