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jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 01-Jan-25 21:36:39

Re: Happy New year everyone

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sand compared to today's wan speeds that residential premises can enjoy

Yes, but 20+ years in between!

_{25 years of broadband connectivity since Sep 1999 trial - Live BQM}

jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 01-Jan-25 21:38:30

Re: Happy New year everyone

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Now I have FTTP, I feel that the intervening years of ADSL and FTTC were an aberration, in that you never got the advertised full capability and you were forever trying to tweak linestats, which you never had to do with Home Highway nor have to with FTTP. Well, you couldn't with either.

With ISDN it was always a 64k connection per channel, never more or less; hence why the Germans replaced all their analogue phones with it. (So they had to use Annex-B for ADSL over ISDN later).

FTTP or DOCSIS cable are both superior to the DSL technology in terms of reliability and getting what you pay for. DOCSIS has the issue of how many heavy users on a segment, but I think the majority of the UK VM network has solved this; maybe only now an issue in cities with large student populations sharing a house. GPON is similarly designed of course.

_{25 years of broadband connectivity since Sep 1999 trial - Live BQM}

Chrysalis
(legend) Wed 01-Jan-25 22:03:17

Re: Happy New year everyone

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In reply to a post by Pheasant:
Was it really a “highway” or with hindsight more of a semi cobbled lane? 🤣😎

When I had Home Highway, i did think it was a highway. It just worked, reliably, to its full spec. And if a download ran slow, it was never the Home Hoghway. It was at this point I transitioned to running a router too, so it was my first modern internet connection. Thus was back in the days when ISPs were only permitting 1 machine to use the connection in the T&C's.

Now I have FTTP, I feel that the intervening years of ADSL and FTTC were an aberration, in that you never got the advertised full capability and you were forever trying to tweak linestats, which you never had to do with Home Highway nor have to with FTTP. Well, you couldn't with either.

Yeah I do think DSL was always a bit dodgy in that respect. Made even worse by the lax advertising rules. From the customer perspective you getting less for your money, but ironically there was a higher cost to service longer lines on average from OR side.

Thinking back of the history of ADSL, the original pricing I think was on the right path, but just perhaps a little too much of a jump between speed tiers. I think the change to ADSL max pricing was a wrong path, 1mbit same cost as 8mbit, and wholesale backhaul pricing at such a level that shaping, and congestion was widespread across the industry. It feels like things have naturally ended up somewhere more sensible now. Even on VDSL, it was better than ADSL max, as those on low speed lines, could buy the cheaper up to 40mbit package and by then the BTw strangling was mostly a thing of the past.

At best FTTC should have been advertised as fibre up to the cabinet, or hybrid copper. But our regulator light touch approach allowed some questionable advertising.

jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 01-Jan-25 22:05:47

Re: Happy New year everyone

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At best FTTC should have been advertised as fibre up to the cabinet, or hybrid copper. But our regulator light touch approach allowed some questionable advertising.

Both Ofcom and the Advertising Standards people were asleep.

_{25 years of broadband connectivity since Sep 1999 trial - Live BQM}

DFScale
(committed) Wed 01-Jan-25 22:24:40

Re: Happy New year everyone

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At best FTTC should have been advertised as fibre up to the cabinet, or hybrid copper. But our regulator light touch approach allowed some questionable advertising.

I agree. Of course FTTC kind of covers it and FTTP makes the distinction. But not clearly discerned in the public mind. Perhaps FTTC would have been better described as 'Fibre Nearby'.

zyborg47
(legend) Thu 02-Jan-25 08:22:02

Re: Happy New year everyone

[re: Taras] [link to this post]

Yep, same to you,

I hope people who want higher speed can get it soon.

Adrian

Desktop machines Mac mini pro with macOS Ventura, also pc Ryzen powered with windows something or other.
Zooming with Zzoomm FTTP,

zyborg47
(legend) Thu 02-Jan-25 08:22:54

Re: Happy New year everyone

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Happy New Year to all indeed !
I'll maybe upgrade my 33.6K USR Robotics to 56K ......

I think the net was more fun then, more community feel to it as well. It was not there all the time, you could not just hop on it like we do now.

Adrian

Desktop machines Mac mini pro with macOS Ventura, also pc Ryzen powered with windows something or other.
Zooming with Zzoomm FTTP,

zyborg47
(legend) Thu 02-Jan-25 08:26:16

Re: Happy New year everyone

[re: Taras] [link to this post]

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everyone had a 56k usr robotics modem, and also remembering the connect failure

I had a supra, not legal on then BT lines for some reason. Then I got a USR courier with my Amiga 4000, which I have still got, I presume the Supra is in the loft.

I have a load of ISA/PCI modems, no idea where they came from.

Adrian

Desktop machines Mac mini pro with macOS Ventura, also pc Ryzen powered with windows something or other.
Zooming with Zzoomm FTTP,

zyborg47
(legend) Thu 02-Jan-25 08:35:41

Re: Happy New year everyone

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In reply to a post by Taras:
sand compared to today's wan speeds that residential premises can enjoy
Yes, but 20+ years in between!

i was chatting to a young lad at work and we were saying about tech, the internet, TV and that sort of thing when I was younger, and he said, well how did you cope.
I came out with, we knew no better, that was our tech, the radio, the 3 channels on the TV, well tow for a while, the cassette deck and the record player.
Even then, technology changed, and we got the Walkman and more channels on the TV and video recorders at a price we could afford.

i know I go on about technology, and sometimes it can be a pain and don't always make things easier, and a lot of it is all about data. But some people say, if we lost the tech we have now, the younger ones would not cope.

If we lost the modern online tech we got now, we would not cope either, as we are used to using it.
Sure, I could go back to reading normal books, I could even listen to tapes, but there is so much more that is reliant on tech, that we don't even see.

One small nuke at a certain height, and we would be stuffed.

Happy New Year peeps smile

Adrian

Desktop machines Mac mini pro with macOS Ventura, also pc Ryzen powered with windows something or other.
Zooming with Zzoomm FTTP,

Taras
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 02-Jan-25 14:10:52

Re: Happy New year everyone

[re: zyborg47] [link to this post]

In reply to a post by zyborg47:
In reply to a post by Taras:
everyone had a 56k usr robotics modem, and also remembering the connect failure

I had a supra, not legal on then BT lines for some reason. Then I got a USR courier with my Amiga 4000, which I have still got, I presume the Supra is in the loft.

I have a load of ISA/PCI modems, no idea where they came from.

sold my 4000/040 in 2000s. Still we have a bit of the amiga in software and hardware everytime we switch on a pc

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