In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I do get fed up with the BBC asking us to sign in when we look at their news site.
Why would I want to do that?

The BBC want the same statistics as commercial organisations... and they're allowed to on the internet. This is why their "sounds" doesn't work on Apple's smart speakers... as apparently Apple won't give stats on who is listening. Rubbish really.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

you are asked to prove it is yours

I wasn't.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I have a BBC account for BBC Sounds, not that I use it that often these days, but I use a postcode that is not mine and the email is a Yahoo one.
The people who have had emails saying they are using Iplayer when they say they don't have a license are those that uses the same email to register a BBC account as they used to tell the TVL they don't need a license.
I just don't tell TVL anything, I just let them carry on sending me letters, not that I use Iplayer, but I know someone who does and don't have a TV licence.
The other way is to use a different email address to tell TVL you don't need a licence to the one you register for a BBC account.
But Iplayer is certainly not linked to your licence.

My point was there's a link reportedly.. i.e. using iplayer e-mail with TV Licensing.. linked or not there are ways..
In the end if you use iPlayer (save for S4C or any exception which may apply) you SHOULD have a license.
If you don't have a need for a licence then by all means tell TVL where to go.

I've been harassed by TVL before and got quite annoyed before moving into the property (didn't need a licence) so ended up telling them not to turn up to my door and leaving them blanked for a while. I don't like their attitude of threatening letters.

In reply to a post by Oliver341:

In reply to a post by seb:

No. Your BBC iPlayer account asks for your postcode - https://account.bbc.com/account/settings - I *think* that was compulsory as I wouldn't have entered it otherwise..

Also they could find your e-mail address linked to your identity in other databases.. remember those 'e-mail age verification' things where they can tell you've over 18 from e-mail? it's probably because they cross reference your data in other systems.

I just created a new BBC account with an email address from https://temp-mail.org/ and a random postcode from https://www.doogal.co.uk/. I'm not asked to prove the postcode is mine, and the email address isn't associated with anything.

Yeah but most dumb people will not think and will use their own postcode or same e-mail address

In reply to a post by seb:

Yeah but most dumb people will not think and will use their own postcode or same e-mail address

Quite possibly so. But in general it makes it difficult to convince a judge that the data they hold is of sufficient quality to obtain a court order to obtain a user's postal address for watching iPlayer illegally, when using false unverified information is so easy.

Nevertheless, we are entering an era where proving identity before accessing services is becoming more commonplace, so this is likely to be a fluid situation.

In reply to a post by seb:

Yeah but most dumb people will not think and will use their own postcode

Shouldn't that be 'honest'? Personally I don't consider telling the truth to be dumb. Admittedly it's an approach that has seen me in hot water quite a few times during my life e.g. when asked "Do you like this dress, does it look good on me"

As for iPlayer, I was asked for my details several years ago and to affirm the details and that I still have a licence about 6 months ago. I use BBC content and particularly like the verified channel BBC verified news coverage.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

The BBC want the same statistics as commercial organisations... and they're allowed to on the internet. This is why their "sounds" doesn't work on Apple's smart speakers... as apparently Apple won't give stats on who is listening. Rubbish really.

They want statistics on who read their news? That is pathetic, that is what really annoys me these days, everyone wants to know who you are, even supermarkets these days.
Can't we not go back to the days when we can just do things without companies, corporations and even government wanting to know if you went for a pee today?

Okay, may not bet that bad, but it seems to be getting that way. We had a meeting at work with my manager a couple of days ago, and they were saying about their loyalty card, and we were asked who have the app on their phone, I said no and got a lecture about why I should have it. just in case you don't know, I work in a supermarket. i got a worse lecture when I said I did to even have the card and did not because I don't agree with the spying on what we buy, and when.
They were not happy when I said I don't normally shop there anyway.

In reply to a post by Oliver341:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

you are asked to prove it is yours

I wasn't.

Sorry, that should have been, you are not asked to prove your postcode.

In reply to a post by seb:

My point was there's a link reportedly.. i.e. using iplayer e-mail with TV Licensing.. linked or not there are ways..
In the end if you use iPlayer (save for S4C or any exception which may apply) you SHOULD have a license.
If you don't have a need for a licence then by all means tell TVL where to go.

I've been harassed by TVL before and got quite annoyed before moving into the property (didn't need a licence) so ended up telling them not to turn up to my door and leaving them blanked for a while. I don't like their attitude of threatening letters.

The only link is if you tell TVL you don't need a TV licence with the same email you use to access Iplayer. There is no other way, as I said, I used a Yahoo email address to register my BBC account, I doubt the yahoo thing exist now as i have not used it for years, anyway, the account still works, if I use Iplayer using it, there is no way they can link it to me not having a licence.

i agree with you, no TV licence then they should not be using the Iplayer, but as I said, I know someone who does, but it is up to them if they want to take the risk. Like me, they have not registered they don't need a licence and get letters, and also like me, they chuck them in the bin. Not for me to do anything about it, not hurting me or other people, not the crime of the century.

I presume it is getting close to the time when I will have another letter from TVL, telling me I am being investigated, not very good at it, since they don't even know my name

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

They want statistics on who read their news? That is pathetic, that is what really annoys me these days, everyone wants to know who you are, even supermarkets these days.

Yes, the BBC is behaving as if it was a commercial profit making company when for us in the UK it is not. The commercial version that sells content to other countries is quite different.

Can't we not go back to the days when we can just do things without companies, corporations and even government wanting to know if you went for a pee today?

I think nobody is quite ready for the increase in cost that would come with.

They were not happy when I said I don't normally shop there anyway.

Maybe you'd get a discount.