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(deleted) Wed 17-Aug-16 22:26:43
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Hi, on a new windows 10 home machine. Virtualization in task manager says disabled. Does Windows 10 home support it? or is it disabled in bios? PC has a I7 6700k motherboard i forget but a average asus one.
Thanks for any info
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(deleted) Wed 17-Aug-16 22:42:02
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No https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/hype...
Standard User TinyMongomery
(knowledge is power) Wed 17-Aug-16 22:43:27
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Windows 10 home supports virtualization, using a third-party application such as VirtualBox or VMWare, as long as you turn it on in the BIOS. Hyper-V is not supported on Home editions.

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(deleted) Wed 17-Aug-16 23:23:04
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So if i turn it on in bios it will show in task manager as enabled and i can use 3rd party virtualization software?
Just can't use hyper-v which I'm guessing is Microsoft or Intel version?
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(deleted) Thu 18-Aug-16 00:57:49
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As you say, the way ahead is to turn on all the virtualisation features in your BIOS, then install a third party virtualisation solution. I'm rather partial to VirtualBox.

If you want Hyper-V, which is Microsoft's virtualisation solution, you will need to upgrade to Windows 10 Professional via the Windows Store.
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(deleted) Thu 18-Aug-16 03:04:04
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Thanks all
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 18-Aug-16 09:19:27
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i use virtual box and i have got a pro version of Windows 8, so could use MS Hyper-V, but I find virtual box is better.

Adrian

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(deleted) Thu 18-Aug-16 15:59:55
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Ok another question. I was only asking this because task manager was telling me it was off which i ain't seen before. But maybe this should have been the question,
Since this PC is purely a Gaming and entertainment PC and is working perfectly right now. Do i really need to enable it?
I have a 4th gen i5 PC with windows 7 pro that can do virtualization. The I5 is more my office/work PC. Like i said do i need virtualization enabled on a PC that is just going to be playing modern games.. possibly virtual reality in the future hence why i got a 6700k.

Would any games ever need it?

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(deleted) Thu 18-Aug-16 16:11:56
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Why do you need virtualization?
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(deleted) Thu 18-Aug-16 16:19:19
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Not sure i do on the PC in question that is why i kind of changed my question. It probably should have been "do i need virtualization on this PC?"
Would a game ever need it? that is the main thing this PC will be doing.
Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 18-Aug-16 16:23:23
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If you don't know then you don't need it wink

Virtualisation is a technology that 99% of people have no need for.
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(deleted) Thu 18-Aug-16 16:30:28
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I'll leave it off and i do know what it is just not if games would ever need it. It has always been on by default on my other PC's. If only virtual machines, running another OS on top of the main one for testing stuff and other things like that need it. Then i have no issue simply leaving it off, like i said the PC seems to be running perfectly had it over 3 weeks now.

All i need now is a gtx1080 and I'll have one hell of a gaming PC (currently it has a 4gb asus gtx960) Which surprised me to be honest. Maybe it's because i have not upgraded graphics cards in any of my PC's in ages. But i was surprised when it did 70=88fps+ at 4k everything on high 4x aa and af enabled on portal 2! That is quite a hardcore game for it's time and it's playing it in 4k.
Modern games of coarse kill it in 4k and i have to drop to 1080p then there ok.
Standard User TinyMongomery
(knowledge is power) Thu 18-Aug-16 19:59:54
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Never say never, but certainly no games in the foreseeable future would require virtualization. It's an interesting concept, though.

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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 18-Aug-16 22:52:39
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I am pretty sure you do not know what virtulisation does, People do not seem to be telling you. What it is for is so you can run another Os on top of windows, so if you want to say run Linux you can and still have Windows running at the same time, or you could say have windows 8 running on your computer, but windows 10 as a virtual machine.

Very useful if you want to look at another operating system, but not install it on your machine.

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(deleted) Fri 19-Aug-16 09:09:33
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In reply to a post by zyborg47:
I am pretty sure you do not know what virtulisation does, People do not seem to be telling you. What it is for is so you can run another Os on top of windows, so if you want to say run Linux you can and still have Windows running at the same time, or you could say have windows 8 running on your computer, but windows 10 as a virtual machine.

Very useful if you want to look at another operating system, but not install it on your machine.


Which is pretty much what i said yesterday. I once used it once to run ubuntu ontop of xp probably before cpu vitalization existed or it was in it's early phases not sure on a Phenom 2.
I basically said what you just said yesterday here.

" It has always been on by default on my other PC's. If only virtual machines, running another OS on top of the main one for testing stuff and other things like that need it. Then i have no issue simply leaving it off,"

I wanted to know if it would cause any issues off for anything other than virtual machines.
Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 19-Aug-16 09:32:49
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No. It won't cause any other issues.
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(deleted) Fri 19-Aug-16 20:30:29
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Thanks guys for all the quick very informative information. I now know a lot more about virtualization. I new it was use to run a OS in a virtual machine etc on top of your own. And that virtualization speeds it up. Just was not sure if games etc would ever need it. I will leave it off for that gaming PC.
You get faster information on here than you do on computer help sites.
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 20-Aug-16 06:47:02
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Mine is always enabled in the bios and it have not given me any problems, I think the reason it can be disabled is for security top stop people running a virtual OS.

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(deleted) Sat 20-Aug-16 10:23:43
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Mine is always enabled in the bios and it have not given me any problems, I think the reason it can be disabled is for security top stop people running a virtual OS.

Disabling hardware virtualisation features doesn't prevent running virtual machines - there are virtualisers that work with no hardware virtualisation features whatsoever, though the performance is not very good.

I believe the main reason why hardware virtualisation features can be turned off is if they are discovered to have an operational and/or security flaw. I have an old and still marginally useful Core 2 Duo laptop with defective VT-d - it interferes with the graphics controller. This is a chipset erratum that required disabling VT-d in the BIOS to resolve.
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