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Standard User Basenji
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 16-Dec-20 13:03:23
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Replacement GPU advice please


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Hi all,

I was recently gifted a Dell XPS 8300 i7 2600 12Gb RAM/240SSD/1Tb HD base unit, with a GTX560Ti GPU in it, but although I don't game much (the occasional game of ETS2/ATS), I've noticed that the GPU loses synch with my monitor (Dell P2219H), whether using HDMI or Display Port, when the GPU's under load.
Although this is very intermittent at the moment, I do think that sooner or later, the GPU will fail totally, so I'm looking into alternatives.

I understand that the machine is 9 years old (1st Gen core i7), but it runs perfectly well, aside from the GPU issues.

I'm looking at perhaps a GT1030 2Gb card - Would this be enough of an upgrade to run the games above, or can you suggest something else?

Thanks in advance. smile

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Standard User camieabz
(sensei) Wed 16-Dec-20 15:18:59
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Re: Replacement GPU advice please


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A GT1030 would be a downgrade:

Bench Comparison 1

Bench Comparison 2


However, if unwilling to consider other, more expensive options, the power draw of the 560 Ti is such, that a GT1030 is attractive, especially if this power draw is the cause of these issues when under load (no way to say, I'm just speculating). At 170w of potential power draw of the 560Ti, vs 30w for the 1030, or 75w for the suggestions below, it's something to keep in mind.

I recommend a GTX 1050, if you can find one, or a GTX 1050Ti, if your budget is inclined. You possibly won't get the full potential from the latter, as your CPU will struggle to keep up, but the former will probably be maximised.

New Comparison 1

New Comparison 2


Edit: All the cards, including your current card are more than enough for the games you mention.

Edited by camieabz (Wed 16-Dec-20 15:19:41)

Standard User Basenji
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 16-Dec-20 15:44:32
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Re: Replacement GPU advice please


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Thanks for your response, Camie. smile

I mistakenly thought that the GT1030 would be an upgrade, not a downgrade - 2Gb vs ~1.2Gb, plus it was released later. Go figure. lol.

I'm also thinking the PSU (850W Corsair) might have a part to play?
Although usually, when the GPU hangs, I just lose my connection to the monitor (currently DP, but this has also happened over HDMI), it has, on occasion, caused the machine to restart.

I think, what I'll do, as a first step, is go back to basics; check everything's seated/connected securely, then try to troubleshoot the issue from there.
I don't want to replace the GPU, only to find that it wasn't at fault and that it was the PSU, for example.

Again, thanks for your comment and insights. Food for thought, especially the comparisons you linked. smile

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Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 16-Dec-20 15:49:53
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The last 2 digits are key - so a 560 is a much higher card in the range than a 1030 would be. Now later generations may mean that lower cards in a later generation outperform higher cards in an earlier generation but that depends on how many generations different they are.
Standard User Basenji
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 16-Dec-20 16:05:35
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Thank you for clarifying that it's the last two digits, ian. smile
I mistakenly thought that it was the first digit, therefore, by my (flawed) logic, 10x > 5x.

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Standard User camieabz
(sensei) Wed 16-Dec-20 17:27:30
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In reply to a post by Basenji:
I'm also thinking the PSU (850W Corsair) might have a part to play?
Although usually, when the GPU hangs, I just lose my connection to the monitor (currently DP, but this has also happened over HDMI), it has, on occasion, caused the machine to restart.

I think, what I'll do, as a first step, is go back to basics; check everything's seated/connected securely, then try to troubleshoot the issue from there.
I don't want to replace the GPU, only to find that it wasn't at fault and that it was the PSU, for example.


Yes, it's definitely something to consider. The connections might be an idea. Wiggle a few cables. I'd look at doing some benchmarks too (Userbenchmark, Passmark etc are a good start). No need for those stress testing benchmarks, but just something that will max out your CPU and GPU for a few seconds. Also keep an eye on the temps of said components. It's not unheard of for hot kit to throttle down and hang a little.

Also suggest HW Monitor from CPUID. It's handy for seeing into the temps / voltages / systems speeds.
Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 17-Dec-20 11:53:38
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The first one or two digits is the "generation" of the card - the higher it is the later the card. The last 2 digits is the position of the card in the range - higher the number the more powerful the card. Then you have the additional bits that come after like TI, GTX, Super, etc - these are all variations on the base card. You also get some cards that are overclocked out of the box from some suppliers. Higher RAM may be good but depends on the application - older games might not make any use out of extra RAM. Then you have all the stuff around shaders, etc but again an older game might make no use out of the additional features.

In the end I normally just look at one of the benchmark websites to compare cards to see which are "better".
Standard User Basenji
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 21-Dec-20 16:05:46
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Hi again Camie,

As suggested, I took a look "under the hood" and all of the wires/connections were firm.

As I said before, I'm thinking it could be the PSU.
I've copied the voltages from HWMonitor's text file and pasted them below.
Text
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23
45
67
89
1011
1213
1415
1617
1819
Hardware Monitors
------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
Hardware monitor                ITE IT8772        Voltage 0               0.98 Volts [0x52] (CPU VCORE)
        Voltage 1               1.51 Volts [0x7E] (VIN1)        Voltage 2               2.82 Volts [0xEB] (+3.3V)
        Voltage 3               2.82 Volts [0x8C] (+5V)        Voltage 4               11.14 Volts [0xE8] (+12V)
        Voltage 5               -8.88 Volts [0xB9] (-12V)        Voltage 6               -8.88 Volts [0xB9] (-5V)
        Voltage 7               2.78 Volts [0x8A] (+5V VCCH)        Voltage 8               1.57 Volts [0x83] (VBAT)
        Temperature 1           27 degC (80 degF) [0x1B] (TMPIN1)        Fan 1                   910 RPM [0x2E6] (FANIN1)
        Fan 2                   899 RPM [0x2EF] (FANIN2)        Fan PWM 0               0 pc [0x0] (FANPWM0)
        Fan PWM 1               0 pc [0x0] (FANPWM1)        Fan PWM 2               0 pc [0x0] (FANPWM2)

Do these look right to you, considering it's a 850W?

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Standard User camieabz
(sensei) Mon 21-Dec-20 17:41:43
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Ok. It's not my forte, but I'll give what info I can (i.e. what I think might be up). First up, many of these voltages are not within expected tolerances. However, there's a chance it's the software reporting that's the problem, rather than the hardware. The reason I say this, is that all these voltages had such real values, I doubt your PC would work too well.

So the best option is to get a PSU tester, but almost no one bothers with that. The next best option is to read the voltages from the BIOS. The next best option is HWMonitor. If trying HWMonitor, I recommend you max out the system with prolonged benchmarking / gaming to get values under load. The BIOS won't achieve this, but if you get odd PSU voltages idling in BIOS, that would suggest a PSU issue.

So let's paste your voltage table, with my additions for tolerances, per this link (and my general knowledge). Green is within tolerance; red is not:

https://www.lifewire.com/power-supply-voltage-tolera...

In reply to a post by Basenji:
Voltage 0 0.98 Volts [0x52] (CPU VCORE) 1.25v is stock voltage as far as I know. This is way off.
Voltage 1 1.51 Volts [0x7E] (VIN1)
Voltage 2 2.82 Volts [0xEB] (+3.3V) +/- 5% = 3.135v - 3.465
Voltage 3 2.82 Volts [0x8C] (+5V) +/- 5% = 4.75v - 5.25v
Voltage 4 11.14 Volts [0xE8] (+12V) +/- 5% = 11.4v - 12.6v
Voltage 5 -8.88 Volts [0xB9] (-12V)
Voltage 6 -8.88 Volts [0xB9] (-5V)
Voltage 7 2.78 Volts [0x8A] (+5V VCCH)
Voltage 8 1.57 Volts [0x83] (VBAT)


The others are less important, and at this point I'm almost certain that HWMonitor is talking [censored]. Your system shouldn't start on those voltages, imo. Check in the BIOS instead.

Edit: No green text. I was going to populate the others, but frankly, those four are the main ones to be worried about for starters.

Edited by camieabz (Mon 21-Dec-20 17:43:43)

Standard User Basenji
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 21-Dec-20 19:46:48
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Thanks again, Camie smile

I'll take a look in the BIOs as suggested, but I think it's time to look at a new PSU to be fair.

The current PSU is a Corsair TX850W. What rating would you suggest as a replacement? Do I need to go as high as 850W, considering afaik the original Dell PSU was a 450W?

Many thanks.

EDIT: I've just run Speccy and it gives the same values as HWMonitor. I'll check BIOS when I get a minute.
Text
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23
45
67
8
CPU CORE        0.972 V
MEMORY CONTROLLER       1.512 V+3.3V   2.820 V
+5V     2.802 V+12V    11.136 V
-12V    -8.880 V-5V     -8.880 V
+5V HIGH THRESHOLD      2.782 V


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Edited by Basenji (Mon 21-Dec-20 19:55:43)

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