In reply to a post by rikbean:

but I don't believe that all the TT enabled exchanges will necessarily allow an Opal/TT based wholesale service.

Nonetheless, Xilo seem to be able to make it pay. So far

As soon as an exchange is live, we can order on it Just the same as with 21CN/FTTC on BT exchanges.

Matt

As one of the "referral operators" referred to by RJ earlier, how do the costs compare to BT?

They are actually very good.

Mbit pricing for the interconnect is good on a three tier system, depending on when used - which is something we're looking at taking advantage.

For the MPF side, base costs for the tail and base line rental are quite good too.

All in all, on a comparative basis, it is good and control over the ports as well as the monitoring that can be viewed per line from the kit, is amazing too.

Matt

Thanks for that Matt.

It's of limited use to me on an FTTC connection (unless TalkTalk can get their act together), but interesting nonetheless.

I've had one of the services before we even released it as a product and it performs very well (on an exchange that only has BT as an alternative), at 22Mb~.

Annex M should also be an addition to the service soon which is also quite interesting.

Matt

In reply to a post by uno:

at 22Mb~.

Even with BT's ever-to-be-damned DLM sticking its oar in I can get 30+Mbps on VDLS2, I don't want to go back to copper to the exchange

Edited by billford (Tue 29-Mar-11 01:42:13)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Though I haven't seen any hint from either of them of their wholesale contracts with TT Business Wholesale excluding any previously or recently enabled exchanges. What makes you think they do?

I tried one of the checkers - it may have been Xilo or possibly one on the Opal site and that reported that I couldn't get a service. It was a while ago so things may have changed.

Certainly I believe Xilo will be offering a hybrid service (= part unbundled) so people can keep their BT line. TBH, I doubt it would make a lot of difference speedwise to me, since my problems are almost certainly related to poor line quality (read lack of investment) through the village. And, from talking to others, I appear to have one of the better lines.

Nonetheless for a lot of people it could make a significant difference, which is why it is unfortunate that iDNet feel unable to offer it. A viable wholesale LLU service plus iDNet's quality of support would make an attractive offer provided it could be done at a value price. And, of course, profitably.

[EDIT] Just seen the post re Opal wholesale availability on all TT enabled exchanges. Thanks for the heads up Matt.

Edited by Tacitus (Tue 29-Mar-11 09:37:34)

A quite well-put argument, which (if correct) clearly shows that BT Total Broadband and Plusnet could also use these alternative wholesalers as well as BT Wholesale in order to provide a better, more reliable, service to a vast number of people.

Maybe I'll suggest that in their forums , quoting you.

I thought so too. ISTR Plusnet offering LLU via F2S...

ed - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/24/plusnet_tisc...

Edited by deleted (Tue 29-Mar-11 10:23:15)

... Tiscali Wholesale, you mean.

Matt