Even simple cell phones track you. Your carrier could locate you much more quickly that Apple, since Apple would have to phone you and ask where you are.

In reply to a post by AEP:

Reports of concerns about an Apple product are not trolling, even in the Apple forum.

They are when they continue to be made after they have been demonstrated to be baseless, and especially when the poster relies on increasing nit-picking with regard to the exact words being used in order to avoid having to admit they were wrong.

Even in the Apple forum.

They are when they continue to be made after they have been demonstrated to be baseless

But it has been demonstrated that the location database is stored on the iPhone and on the PC in unencrypted for. That does not demonstrate that the concerns are baseless.

Anyway, I'd hate to get banned for "trolling" just becasue I disagree with you so I think I'll cut out before things get nasty.

I expect that from Ian - he knows no better

Your total lack of self-awareness is your least appealing feature.

But you are right - mere disagreement is not trolling.

Repeatedly disregarding arguments and information that others provide, while deceitfully and selectively quoting from material that you know full well addresses the thing you affect to be concerned about....

...now that's trolling.

(You do realise Batty was just trying to get a rise out of the "It's not a PC it's a Mac" brigade, don't you? And that the discussion here is about phones, not PCs (whether Mac, 'doze or Linux)?

Don't you?)

This is starting to feel like the fukushima thread, and that kinda blew up on you billford.

In reply to a post by AEP:

But it has been demonstrated that the location database is stored on the iPhone

No it hasn't. Only a list of locations that have come within range is stored, that is not a database and nor are they "user locations" in any meaningful sense of the phrase.

The full database is too big to be stored on the device and a subset is only sent on request for calculation purposes, afaik that is not stored. Nor is any of it available to third parties.

All this, and much else, has been pointed out to you.

I've never yet banned anyone for disagreeing with me and don't intend to, but I (and the other moderators here) have banned posters for persistently pursuing a point that has been demonstrated to be false.

It's called trolling.

The full database is too big to be stored on the device and a subset is only sent on request for calculation purposes, afaik that is not stored

For clarity the calculation is not stored, nor transmitted. The hoo-ha was over a larger than expected cache of the base data, which Scott Forstall explained and which I outlined upthread, in response to giles.

Summary: they did not ask "how long should the data be stored?" they asked "What size of cache is appropriate?" and (mistakenly, perhaps) seem to have assumed that this answered the first question.

Mind you I am pretty cross: someone elsehwere described going though the data map as "like going through old photos" - it reminded him of things (journeys) and made him smile. The panicky spacks have now robbed us of that.

Concerns that are misconceptions and that have now been clarified.

For the last time, the file on the iPhone and on the computer is a database containing data that has been !!!!!!!RECEIVED!!!!!!!! from Apple servers.

Received means download, it is not data that has been locally generated and logged. It is not a log of data that has been uploaded.

It is a cache of data that has been downloaded!

Honestly, do you whingers have a job in IT or doing anything technical at all?

Edited by deleted (Thu 28-Apr-11 20:34:59)

It may know where you've been, but this is simply a location dump database, Apple DO NOT use this information in their business strategies or sell it to 3rd parties.