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Standard User zyborg47
(legend) Thu 27-Oct-22 15:04:07
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Re: MacOS Ventura


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I wouldn't worry too much about that. Unless you have a pretty high end desktop x86 processor at the moment, you'll likely find the M1/2 run your x86 code a lot faster than you'd imagine. It really is close to native speed (and for the right app can actually be faster than it would be on the fastest Intel Macs).

I still have a few Intel apps, but I couldn't tell you which ones were not native, without looking at Activity Monitor.


I have a R7 1700, so certainly not the fastest by any means these days, I was not the fastest when I first got.

thanks./

Adrian

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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 27-Oct-22 15:08:26
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Re: MacOS Ventura


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LOL, It will be a nice change to be honest, I hope. There is a Mac style OS available, that I installed, to see if I can get used to the U.I, it is Linux, but then Mac Os is BSD.

(was originally based on BSD, but heavily modified in the last 18 years)

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Standard User TinyMongomery
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 27-Oct-22 15:14:18
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Re: MacOS Ventura


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Assuming there are Intel Mac versions of the software Adrian wants to run.

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Standard User TinyMongomery
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 27-Oct-22 15:27:13
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It’s pretty much mandatory to have an Apple account if you want to install software from the App Store. For example, you wouldn’t be able to use XCode without an account.

As with Windows (where a Microsoft account is still not mandatory), it is becoming more difficult, and more limited, to use a computer without an online account.

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Standard User zyborg47
(legend) Thu 27-Oct-22 21:34:36
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It’s pretty much mandatory to have an Apple account if you want to install software from the App Store. For example, you wouldn’t be able to use XCode without an account.

As with Windows (where a Microsoft account is still not mandatory), it is becoming more difficult, and more limited, to use a computer without an online account.



Xcode is for developers, is it not? I am not a developer. My many macs owning friend don't have an account on her Mac book book pro or her iMac, but she does have one on the mac pro ( trashcan), something to do with final cut.
Her macbook pro and Imac is normally used for browsing and office stuff, so she doesn't seem to need an Apple Id for them.

It is sad that it is going that way that we need an account to use our computer, so far I have not needed one to use Windows, you say it is more difficult and more limited, but I have not found any limitation at all on using my windows based machine without an account. I never needed one for Windows 7, Xpo, 98, and 95, so why do I need one now? i did have one for Windows 8 for a while until I found a way to bypass it, that was the only time I had a Hotmail account.

Even so, Apple don't force it on people, like MS is doing with Windows 11 where you have to through hoops to avoid having an MS account, no telemetry either.
As I have said a few times, if the software was available for Linux and it was not such a pain I would certainly move to Linux.

Adrian

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Standard User zyborg47
(legend) Thu 27-Oct-22 21:35:38
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(was originally based on BSD, but heavily modified in the last 18 years)

Like a lot of operating system modified, but under the skin, Mac OS is still BSD, like windows 11 is still NT.

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Standard User TinyMongomery
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 27-Oct-22 21:54:27
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But, then, the networking in Windows is based on BSD.

Darwin was actually based on the Mach kernel, not the BSD one. Most users will never see the parts of Mac OS with a BSD heritage.

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Standard User TinyMongomery
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 27-Oct-22 21:56:09
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No. Certain utilities are based on BSD, as is the networking - like all operating systems - but that’s about it.

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Standard User zyborg47
(legend) Fri 28-Oct-22 08:14:22
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But, then, the networking in Windows is based on BSD.

Darwin was actually based on the Mach kernel, not the BSD one. Most users will never see the parts of Mac OS with a BSD heritage.



In reply to a post by TinyMongomery:
No. Certain utilities are based on BSD, as is the networking - like all operating systems - but that’s about it.



I never knew windows Networking was based on BSD,

thanks for the info

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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 28-Oct-22 09:00:53
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I never knew windows Networking was based on BSD,
My understanding is the NT 3.1/3.5/3.51/4/win2000/XP stack was built on BSD design. I also read that with Win7 and later the TCP/IP stack was rewritten in house by MS to perform faster.

The BSD design wasn't that great, susceptable to "ping of doom" and other exploits that would blue screen a box over the wire. (As OS X/macOS and plenty of Unixes also would crash, including SunOS/Solaris, HP/UX, and others). Of course BSD and others worked on theirs in the early 2000s as well, so the only constant is change.

Most of my Unix/Linux colleagues dislike macOS as the built in userland (command line) tools from Apple are quite old. They tend to use package managers such as brew to install non-apple open source (GNU) type utililties, or on Intel Mac's run a Linux VM. (harder on M1/M2 as the hypervisor support is limited, and less compatible distributions, but this is improving slowly).

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