Likewise. And Continuity Camera on a mini is well handy.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Had it switched on for a day or so. Now switched it off again. Might be better on a laptop screen, but I'm mostly using an external 40" monitor when I'm at my desk, so I find arranging / resizing my windows manually works fine. If I want a clean screen or flip between VMs or RDP sessions then I just hotkey between spaces.

i don't think it is something I would use either to be honest., Apple is not bringing out any more Macs this year by all accounts, so I will not be getting one this year, but on the bright side, it allows me to stick more money into the computer account, i have £1200 in there at the moment, the more I stick in there, the less I have to get out of my other savings.
I had a thought about the Mac studio, but at nearly 2 grand for the basic model, it is a fair bit of money, more than i have ever spent on a computer.

i was reading that there may be a way to stick Ventura onto a trash can Mac, but my friend have said that the machine have had a good run and maybe it is time to retire it for something a bit faster and less power hungry. That Xeon CPU is pretty power hungry, and so are the two graphics cards. She is going to wait till next year and see what Apple brings to the imac.

We will see what happens next year.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

My understanding is the NT 3.1/3.5/3.51/4/win2000/XP stack was built on BSD design. I also read that with Win7 and later the TCP/IP stack was rewritten in house by MS to perform faster.

The BSD design wasn't that great, susceptable to "ping of doom" and other exploits that would blue screen a box over the wire. (As OS X/macOS and plenty of Unixes also would crash, including SunOS/Solaris, HP/UX, and others). Of course BSD and others worked on theirs in the early 2000s as well, so the only constant is change.

Most of my Unix/Linux colleagues dislike macOS as the built in userland (command line) tools from Apple are quite old. They tend to use package managers such as brew to install non-apple open source (GNU) type utililties, or on Intel Mac's run a Linux VM. (harder on M1/M2 as the hypervisor support is limited, and less compatible distributions, but this is improving slowly).

a mate uses Linux, Most of the computers he has run Linux and most just command line, the only one I think that has a GUI on is the one his wife uses. He has one Windows based machine that he had to use when he ran his company? He says GUI are for WIMPS. Yes, it was meant to be funny, since WIMPS, means Windows, icons, mouse and pointer.

I have not used much in the way of command lines for a while, I was going to do it on Linux, but to be honest at my time of life I just want something that works which is why I am looking at MACs.

Saying that, i am thinking of getting an old Del wyse machine and going to have a muck around with Home Assistant , raspberry pis are expensive these days and not easy to get

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

a mate uses Linux, Most of the computers he has run Linux and most just command line, the only one I think that has a GUI on is the one his wife uses. He has one Windows based machine that he had to use when he ran his company? He says GUI are for WIMPS. Yes, it was meant to be funny, since WIMPS, means Windows, icons, mouse and pointer.

It should be WIMPs lowercase S if you're trying to be funny, given the acronym goes back to the Xerox PARC research centre and the invention of windowing system with mouse.

Most of my teams are developing software that runs on cloud servers, which are linux. So the developers are split 50/50 between macOS fans (with Brew) or Windows fans (with WSL) and the one or two whom actually force Fedora onto a laptop and then have to use web Word, Outlook, Teams etc in Chrome

I have not used much in the way of command lines for a while, I was going to do it on Linux, but to be honest at my time of life I just want something that works which is why I am looking at MACs.

The world is going command line for automation and reliability. Almost all enterprise software from any vendor (Oracle, Microsoft etc) is driven and managed from command line. Modern enterprise software GUIs actually show you the command line they are going to run after you complete a task before it is actioned.

GUIs are great for individual users / home users whom need the likes of Word, VSCode, or Apple XCode and diagramming etc.

In reply to a post by TinyMongomery:

No way. Always wait for the x.1 version.

But I’ll probably try an install on another disk.

13.0.1 out…so if you’ve been hanging out for the point release, it’s your time to shine

That’s just a minor update, a couple of security fixes. No, it has to be 13.1.

I did try 13.0 on an external SSD but wasn’t overly impressed.

Your bar is very high sir. 13 has been great here. Not sure 13.1 will bring a lot (or even a smidge?) more stuff to the table to be fair. But each to their own.

I too always wait for the x.1 release. It tends to be only security releases and really critical stuff that makes it into x.0.1 releases. All the "we didn't quite have time to fix this middle level niggling bug before release" end up in x.1

It’s not a question of more stuff, it’s getting things right.

For example, on 13.0 I experienced random screen zooms. Probably something to do with the Magic Mouse, but I’ve never experienced it on previous versions. Unless there are significant advantages to a new version, or I am sure it is rock steady, I see no point in risking my main installation.

They usually fix any serious bugs by the x.1 version.

In reply to a post by TinyMongomery:

No way. Always wait for the x.1 version.

But I’ll probably try an install on another disk.

13.1 is out now.